NLP Master Trainer Kathleen LaValle on EVERY WHICH WAY AND LOOSE!
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IRC Chat Log, December 13, 1998
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| Jonathan | Kathleen, thank you very much for agreeing to do a chat with me & the folks here! Welcome! Kathleen has joined us under the topic of "EVERY WHICH WAY AND LOOSE!" Take it away, Kathleen! |
| Kathleen | Hello Jonathan and guests, I am delighted to be here. Tonight will be a night of fun and adventure! |
| Jonathan, Dluzi, venus, Maxin | (Lots of applause!) |
| Jonathan | Welcome again. You mentioned, Kathleen... that you wanted to talk about how to have much more fun with NLP!!! |
| Kathleen | I get many questions about people who take NLP courses, and they complain that they can't practice NLP because they don't have time, or others to do it with. This is when I wonder if they really understand the tool, or toy, they have. NLP is not something that you take off the shelf like some dusty old book once in a while to use... there is an opportunity every second to practice and to use (& play with) it! It is a wondrous thing, this NLP stuff! Agree, Jonathan? |
| Jonathan | Of course! |
| Maxin | I'm nodding! |
| Kathleen | Well, I wonder if some of you have ever said this. And I would like to explore how many ways we can use it and have fun! |
| Jonathan | Is there any limit? |
| Kathleen | Noooooo! Limit? What is that? |
| Jonathan | Awww, come on, don't we need a limit to understand how far we can go? |
| Kathleen | I think I have forgotten that word! Must be the amnesia pattern. NLP can be so much more for you, too! |
| Jonathan | At seminars, many people have pointed out how more smoothly you seem to understand how to make NLP tools work more effectively for each person. |
| Kathleen | Oh, come now, flattery will get you everywhere! |
| Jonathan | And I know I also get a few people now & again who say "I took the NLP Prac course (with other trainers) about 4 years ago, and I never really used it." Inside, I thought, 'How could that happen?' when we know how easy some of these things are to do! |
| Kathleen | That is exactly what I am saying. Sometimes this is due to how it is taught. If it is taught purely from the intellectual approach. Yuck! |
| Jonathan | Can you give me an example of how someone might be taught something, maybe with good intentions, but somehow someone doesn't quite get it, or tries it but it doesn't quite work yet? |
| Kathleen | Yes. I will keep names out of this, though. I got an email from someone who was stuck with a belief change technique. They were following step by step from the book exactly, and not getting anywhere. They were trying to install a new belief and using the submodalities of a current belief that was strong, so they were using it as they were taught... |
| Jonathan | (Sounds like a good start on their part, anyway... I think most people approach NLP from having read the books) |
| Kathleen | They had the belief that "there is a chair" or that "chairs exist." Well it was a strong belief; you could not talk them out of it! But just how important is that to them? What feelings are attached to it? Hmmmm.. a chair... Whoopeee!!! So the new belief had the "oh boy, a chair" level of feelings attached. Not much! So I asked them what belief did they have that was strong, powerful and had good juicy feelings attached? |
| Jonathan | Ahhhh, cool distinction! |
| Kathleen | Like, "do you like playing with your children, or watching them be born?" And they lit up! |
| Jonathan | But wait a sec., what's the difference regarding the exercise? They're both STRONG beliefs, Kathleen. |
| Kathleen | The feelings were stronger and juicy! So when they used that belief, the new belief had powerful and juicy feelings.. now doesn't it already? Heheheh! Just a little difference, still by the book. |
| Jonathan | The books don't cover these distinctions very often... Hmmmmm.... :) |
| Kathleen | But it is looking at the process of how it works, that is the job of the trainer! Books are maps, you know, not as exciting as the journey through the territory! |
| Jonathan | OK, let's see if this actually works for someone! |
| Kathleen | What would you like to do? |
| Jonathan | Is there someone here who knows the book approach to a belief change with submodalities, and has chosen "the sun will come up tomorrow" or some such bland but strong belief? Someone who wants to try out this distinction? |
| Maxin | Yes |
| Kathleen | Hello Maxin! Take a belief that is strong, true and gets you excited! Feeling real goooood! See the difference, feel the difference, hear the difference, etc. etc. |
| Maxin | That's cool! |
| Kathleen | How is it different? |
| Maxin | It's not dull! The fact that 'the sun will come up tomorrow' -- so? |
| Kathleen | That is right! Now imagine that everything you thought was dull about practicing NLP or anything else that was... and run those feelings through this new way! Way good! Hmmmm... |
| Maxin | Sounds like fun! |
| Jonathan | (I'm running some belief changes too in the background :) My face is getting flushed :) |
| Kathleen | This is what making NLP or anything more fun! Become an adventurer! We will all be the Indiana Jones of NLP by the end of the night! Find ways to practice NLP in line at the bank, or at the grocery store, or walking down the street. Elevators are great! You have a captured audience! hehehe |
| Jonathan | Trance Induction... 12.... 11.... 10.... |
| Kathleen | 9 8 7.. oh well, another day in paradise! By the way, the complaint that this fellow had was that he could not get a picture of the new belief. And that was because the feelings were not strong enough! When he did it the new way, the pictures just popped in, big & bright! |
| PureNLP | Basically what Kathleen's saying for you linguistics folks out there is that, some people are taught in a "frames" system (techniques) and not in a knowledge-structure system, where it is recognized that, not only are the learners' databases being filled with knowledge, but that they also have a database of knowledge already in place. If more people would teach about composition, then more people would learn to use NLP every moment of each and every day! Composition is where the meaning of the whole is a systematic function of the meaning of the parts. |
| Jonathan | Who has an example.... of the use of an NLP technique.... that has not worked well for them... in the past? Kathleen's a wizard at helping people to get it all working to the point where you're grinning when its done :) |
| Maxin | Allergies? |
| Kathleen | Ahhhhhh-chooooo! Sorry. |
| Maxin | No problem. |
| Kathleen | I'm allergic to allergies! Well look at it this way. What is an allergy? |
| Maxin | A reaction. |
| Kathleen | It is the body's response to a foreign subsance. We breath in pollen and our body goes: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! So we call out the troops, but too much, and sometimes we over react. Hmmmm what NLP technique is used when someone over reacts to a stimulus, that someone else might seem to be fine with? |
| Jonathan | Phobia... Fix... |
| finter | They have a phobia of pollen! |
| tranzpupy | Oh, yeah! |
| Kathleen | Yeah! How can someone else breath pollen or walk up to a cat, and be fine? Now, I agree sometimes there are intolerances, but those are not allergies. Dairy {for example} -- that is when enzymes are missing. So try the phobia fix! Or, use submodality distinctions like collapsing anchors. |
| Maxin | I'm talking alergies to cats, and especially horses. |
| Kathleen | Ok, so do it. Do the phobia fix or collapsing anchors or work with submodalities! They work! |
| Maxin | Ok, I'll do that! |
| Kathleen | I have helped many with that. Someday, John will tell you how he cured someone of an allergy conversationally in 10 seconds! |
| tranzpupy | coool! |
| Kathleen | They did not know it, until they were exposed to the substance, did not react, then called John laughing and said "did you do something when I was at your house?" |
| tranzpupy | oh, great!! |
| finter | I suffer really badly from hayfever in the Summer months. |
| Jonathan | Finter, what would happen if you changed your belief about what season it actually is when Summer comes around? :) |
| Kathleen | Any one else have another challenge? |
| finter | I've got one for you, Kathleen! I'm extremely partial to alcohol. |
| PureNLP | You, too? |
| finter | I want to be able to take it or leave it |
| PureNLP | Hmm! |
| finter | At the moment I seem to be stuck. I can take or leave chocolate for instance. |
| Jonathan | RUBBING alcohol!!! OOOooh, yeah! |
| Kathleen | I don't want to give the impression that we are doing counseling over this chat. because I would want to explore some areas and motivations |
| finter | Sure - I understand |
| Jonathan | I agree, along with a quick comment: This is not therapy, or any kind of replacement for it. This is about learning how to do things better on our OWN. Obviously, if anyone views this chat as other than EDUCATION, please be on your way... :) |
| Kathleen | I will comment on this in one second. What I am looking for is where people say I can't find ways to practice NLP in their everyday life. Now, Finter, if you do have something that you can control, and something that you can't, then there must be something very different in the decision strategies. So look at the submodality comparison, and look for the ones that drives the desire and lessen it. Look for the one that allows you to say no about chocolate and strengthen that one in the alchohol. Understand? Like a compulsion blow-out, for those who have had it. Then start filling yourself with good feelings, and taking good care of yourself! |
| finter | Ahh. I read about the compulsion blow out. Thanks! |
| Kathleen | Now, any more challenges in practicing NLP? Let's take a mundane task, and see how we can make it fun, and chock full of NLP! |
| Jonathan | Yes, I have a good one... that a friend brought up a while back: He had paperwork piled up 1 foot high on his desk :) And he needed to get through it, and wanted to be able to do it easily & naturally :) |
| Kathleen | Ok |
| Jonathan | He knew quite a bit of NLP at that point, through a variety of sources. So he had a lot of tools at his disposal. But somehow or other, none of the ones he tried... worked for him up until then! |
| Kathleen | Well the first approach is to start with a good feeling! Not the one that says "Ohhhh, gotta...!" Start with how good it will feel getting it done fast and easy. Not "when it is done then you would walk away and feel it was done and it would still be there." So the distinction is important between feeling good about the process, or that it is already done! Feel good about the process, then realize what the task is attached to, & why you are doing it. Because cleeaning piles of papers is not exactly WhooooHooo! But what is the value of the job? What will it do for you to have the job done? More time to play cause you will find things easier! Or you can use your DHE™ speed time machine, and go through the job in fast time, like the flash! |
| Kathleen | Well, this brings me to another email I received! Someone asked the definition of NLP. And someone answered that it is about having choices in life. Making a choice about everything, from how you wake up in the morning, to whether you live or die. It was about a man who lived his life like this every moment. He made choices about feeling good, when others were trying to make him feel bad, when things went wrong. He decided to learn from them, instead of being defeated. One day he was shot in his store and they did not expect him to live, and he said to the nurses as they asked him about allergies. He said "yes, one: bullets!" They were amazed he chose humor at that moment! He also said he chose to live, so operate on him as an alive person, not a dead one. And he lived! |
| tranzpupy | that was cool, Kathleen. |
| Kathleen | Oh well. It is about choice. That is what I am thinking about when I use NLP. How can I change things with NLP, & do it differently each time? |
| Jonathan | How do you feel about that definition? Is that a good all-encompassing definition? |
| Kathleen | Yes, I think so. It is about having choices, and being able to make good ones. So many people buy the BS that you must react a certain way or feel a certain way if someone does something to you. |
| GillE | Isn't it sometimes enabling to decide NOT to choose? |
| PureNLP | GillE, isn't that the same? Decide vs choose? Sheesh! |
| Kathleen | Oh, if you "NOT" choose then that is a choice! |
| Jonathan | Indeed. If you choose not to choose :) |
| PureNLP | Or decide not to decide, or decide not to choose. |
| Jonathan | Abstinence IS a choice. (for other people, I suppose). |
| Tref | Bad choice to let another choose for you. |
| Kathleen | Think of someone who is stuck. |
| PureNLP | uh... uh... uh... |
| Kathleen | What are they not choosing? |
| Mezmer1 | A training with Kathleen and John and Richard! |
| AccessNLP | To be curious! |
| Kathleen | Hehehe, Thank you, Mezmer1! |
| Dan26 | From the band Rush, the song 'Free Will:' If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice |
| tranzpupy | I choose that training. |
| PureNLP | Hey, Dan, I like that!! |
| tranzpupy | They're choosing not to make the decision. which means... fate happens.. |
| GillE | We must also choose to tune in, pay attention to everything, even if painful. Otherwise we deny ourselves tools needed to make choices. |
| PureNLP | No way, that painful thing. Too many other choices! |
| Jonathan | Yep, kick that pain thing out the door. No need, no interest, no thanks! :) |
| PureNLP | No musts. No more! |
| Kathleen | Pain does exist, but choose how much and how long, and turn it into something more useful! |
| Jonathan | 1/2 second, & enough for me to say, "done!" |
| Kathleen | Even in grief there are good memories. |
| Haylie | Kathleen i agree!!! |
| GillE | What is useful to turn it into? |
| Kathleen | And what would that person want to leave for you, pain or pleasurable memories? Got it, GillE? |
| GillE | Pain is a useful tool? |
| Haylie | Pleasure and pain we can learn a lot from; funny thing is that we sometimes remember the painful things more clearly. |
| Kathleen | Haylie, may I go deeper with this as an example? |
| Haylie | Sure. |
| Kathleen | It is precisely that language that I am talking about. We sometime remember more clearly. |
| GillE | Yes, NLP is a lot about language, isn't it? |
| Haylie | I'm listening. |
| Kathleen | Very dissociated, as if we have no control over these thoughts. |
| Haylie | Okay, you're right! |
| Kathleen | We can choose to make pleasurable things more clear, learn from the others, and then make them foggier. Haylie, understand? |
| Haylie | I do understand, Kathleen |
| Kathleen | OK, good. |
| Haylie | But.... :) |
| Kathleen | I smell a but! |
| Haylie | Uh oh! |
| Kathleen | Uh oh! |
| Haylie | What if you are too young to understand? |
| Kathleen | Says who? We understand language in the womb! What are you referring to? |
| Haylie | It's a little easier for adults then childeren to understand; Children just go through the motions. |
| Kathleen | Hahahahaha sorry |
| Haylie | hehehe |
| Kathleen | Children are better at NLP! |
| Haylie | Yes, they certainly are. |
| Kathleen | They don't have all those useful beliefs of "gee, that is not real, it's just make-believe." |
| Haylie | Depends on how far you wanna take things; some kids are screwed up. |
| Kathleen | I dont want to take them anywhere! Kids aren't screwed up. They may have made bad choices based on what they have been taught or experience. They can be retaught. |
| Haylie | Okay, whatever you wanna call it, but if no one takes the time with them, then what? Then they stay in the trap of believeing unhealthy things. |
| Kathleen | Then nothing. Someone must do it. You? Or are you in need of more time or training? |
| Haylie | I do it all the time! I have 4 kids. Some more challenging than the others. |
| Kathleen | Well, I see that this is more like you are still a bit dissociated from the problem. |
| Haylie | That's why I'm here! |
| Kathleen | Is there something specific? Or, you can email me privately and we will move on. |
| Haylie | I could. :) |
| Kathleen | Ok, let us move on then. And, Haylie -- associate to the solutions. Feel good! It is just a choice. Then look at the problem. |
| Haylie | I will try harder next time. |
| Jonathan | :) "try" presupposes the possibility of failure.... don't try. Have fun & do! |
| Kathleen | NO trying! :) |
| Mezmer1 | Sometimes i find it challenging to receive answers from people using the Meta-Model? People give me vague answers the more specific I try to get? It's like they unconsciously know the Meta-Model or levels of abstraction. Any tips, Kathleen? |
| Kathleen | Ah, the meta monster! Well, yes, it is about direction, and rapport. How do you approach the use of the Meta Model? Can you give me an example |
| Mezmer1 | I set the frame immediately some times, so they have my intention up front. Other times, I don't set a context. |
| Kathleen | If you chunk down too quick, they will go vague. You got too personal too quick or too intimate. Got to earn and direct it |
| Mezmer1 | I just presuppose I will get an answer |
| Kathleen | If you set your intention up front, then that is chunking up. How is that going for more specificity? |
| Mezmer1 | It's like I set my true intention, and then from that I ask specific questions directed towards the person. It's like they think that my intention is just an excuse to get answers for other reasons. |
| Kathleen | Pace down the ladder you just demonstrated you are up, then you go to the details. Walk them down. |
| Mezmer1 | I agree theoretically. |
| Kathleen | Theo? Oh no! |
| PureNLP | Theoretically? |
| Jonathan | HAH! |
| Mezmer1 | Practically, how do you describe zero response in chunk level? |
| PureNLP | At the mid-point of the grid. |
| Kathleen | thank you John, gotta meet them half-way. Everyone, think about the Meta Model... |
| Mo_Ron | My wife would like a simple definition of Meta-Model, please. |
| Jonathan | The Meta Model is a set of language patterns that we learn to listen for, in order to build a more accurate internal understanding of other people's subjectivity! |
| Kathleen | Everyone, think about the Meta Model, and the different sizes of information, and the directions it goes, like on one big grid. This is what I am talking about in jazzing up your NLP practice! Now become pac man! Hear the music -- wocka wocka! This is what I do to amuse myself! Use imagination! Become the adventurer! If you are going to take someone up or down the grid of info, have fun with it instead of having performance anxiety about doing it right, or keeping track! Make it something else that makes you laugh and you will be surprised how much you will remember! Especially if you learned it with the laughter, and we all know where to get that kind of training, now, don't we? |
| PureNLP | In Austin? Austin, Texas? With RB? Huh? |
| Jonathan | Austin!!! |
| Kathleen | Hmmmm! Could be, yes! Yeee Haaa! |
| tranzpupy | Wooooooooo! Mmmmm! |
| Mezmer1 | I'm swimming across the pacific to get there! |
| Kathleen | It is amazing when it goes in with good feelings! How easy it is to use it, everyday and in every way! Life is an adventure! |
| Jonathan | If there was ever a time to see Richard & John... it's this February in Austin TX... No one runs a smoother seminar than Kathleen... |
| PureNLP | I'll say. Keeps me outta trouble! |
| Kathleen | But I cant gaurantee that there will be seats left! |
| Jonathan | If anyone's interested either or both of these two trainings, visit http://www.purenlp.com and check out what you'll miss if you don't SIGN UP! Then call them at 1-973-770-3600 to sign up. |
| Kathleen | Now the holidays are coming, everyone's looking forward to those family functions! Relatively speaking. |
| Jonathan | Uh oh, cheesecake |
| Kathleen | Hmmm cheesecake... nah... celery! |
| IntriKate | Heh |
| Kathleen | No cheesecake! |
| Jonathan | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH celery :) |
| Kathleen | Look at what you started! |
| AccessNLP | Sugarplum faeries! |
| Haylie | Celery is good; you can eat it 24-7 and not gain a pound! |
| venus | Celery cheesecake, mmm! |
| Jonathan | Hmmm, yeah.... lots & lots of SALARY, I want more SALARY |
| venus | Salary cheesecake, better! |
| Haylie | Cheesecake... stop teasing me! |
| Kathleen | You know about the theory of relativity? |
| Jonathan | Relativity? |
| Kathleen | Sure! When relatives come over, space gets smaller, and time gets longer! |
| Haylie, Jonathan, Venus | Laughing... |
| Kathleen | Well, think of someone who gets on your nerves during the holidays. |
| PureNLP | Yeah... |
| Kathleen | How do you choose to react, usually? |
| PureNLP | Throw them out. Like that neighbor! |
| Jonathan | What neighbor? He moved out, finally. |
| PureNLP | Not yet! |
| IntriKate | Leave. |
| Haylie | Laugh it off! I'm having a good time, regardless. |
| Jonathan | Throw the cheescake at 'em! |
| Tref | Put on armor, and play loud music? |
| Kathleen | Hahaha! |
| PureNLP | Take out the laser cannons! |
| Kathleen | I think some of you are getting this! PS.: he is not kidding about the lasers, ask Dom! |
| Haylie | Put on a happy face...and if you can't handle it, LEAVE! |
| tranzpupy | Make a wee-wee on their desk. |
| PureNLP | Bark at them |
| Haylie | Bite their ass! |
| PureNLP | Ouch. And yuk! |
| Haylie | LOL, kidding! |
| Jonathan | Kathleen, before learning NLP I might've stewed in my annoyance and given it back! Not a particularly pretty choice. |
| Kathleen | How many ways can you now think of dealing with it |
| Jonathan | Why would I need to deal with it? Why would it be an issue now? :) |
| Kathleen | I like to do funny things, like, treat them nice. |
| PureNLP | Not me! |
| Kathleen | Drives them crazy when they are expecting to annoy you! |
| Tref | Jon: Re: Stewing: i've done that at work to the point that the boss wants rid of me.. tuesday is performance review.. "I pity da fool!" |
| Jonathan | I think the easiest response is to -- YEAH -- react from a different state than the one they might have induced in me (in the past) |
| Haylie | I dont have that problem, but unnecessary energy is involved with crap. I dont have any. |
| Kathleen | Oh, submodalities are great, too, with trance! You can stretch their face (in your mind, of course)! In your mind, I repeat, in your mind... :) |
| PureNLP | I just look at them and defocus my eyes while looking right past them and say, "Now... you and I are..." |
| Kathleen | Or, change their voice, change their clothes. |
| PureNLP | Change their location! Throw them out! |
| Kathleen | It is about having fun and knowing you are in charge. You are driving the bus, as the boss says. |
| Jonathan | You might change their species. How can you get mad at a tree sloth, anyway? |
| tranzpupy | Which tree sloth, specifically? |
| PureNLP | Give 'em Ex-Lax in a Godiva box. And thought. |
| Kathleen | I think this would be a good time for final questions, Jonathan. |
| Jonathan | Indeed. Whew! You've got some automatic, intuitive answers to optimize these techniques, Kathleen. I think it's really generous of you to come and offer your time to everyone like this. |
| venus | Yes! |
| Kathleen | Thank you. |
| Jonathan | Does anyone have any wrap-up questions to ask of Kathleen? |
| PureNLP | Yeah, I do |
| tranzpupy | Kathleen, will you do this again? It was great! |
| Kathleen | Yes, I would love to. |
| Jonathan | Kathleen knows she's totally welcome any time at all; we can schedule another in the future whenever convenient! |
| Tref | Just a comment... Kathleen ROCKS! Thank you from the core of my being! |
| Kathleen | You're welcome, Tref. |
| PureNLP | What're ya doing after this, tonight? Can I show you my etchings? Itchings? I-Chings? |
| Kathleen | PureNLP, I will be happy to see your etchings |
| AccessNLP | Ka-Chings! |
| PureNLP | ROFLMAO! |
| tranzpupy | Great! |
| PureNLP | That's itchings! I mean I-Chings, dear |
| Kathleen | I will scratch your itchings. |
| PureNLP | Yes, dear. |
| Jonathan | Some people are just too cool, and stand by their word, and do the right thing. |
| PureNLP | Stand by their word? Next to it, like? |
| Jonathan | Yeah, off to the left, about 2 feet. Right? |
| AccessNLP | Hey, you are married! You can't flirt like that anymore. ;-) |
| PureNLP | Wanna bet? |
| AccessNLP | Nope |
| PureNLP | Not any less, either!!! |
| AccessNLP | hahah! |
| Jonathan | What other big ticket stuff is coming up, John & Kathleen? Austin is hosting the big events in the Spring of 1999... |
| Kathleen | Big result, ticket small in comparison. |
| Dluzi | Big adventure... |
| Kathleen | Well there are the Persuasion Engineering™ and Meta-Master Track™ seminars in Austin, TX. Then in April, there is DHE™ with John La Valle in Chicago! |
| Jonathan | Last year's Meta Master Track™ was nothing short of amazing -- |
| Kathleen | Then there are the Practitioner, Master Practitioner, & Trainer's Training (Charisma Enhancement) in Los Angeles in June with Richard Bandler & John La Valle. |
| PureNLP | All the dates are at http://www.purenlp.com, and there's more coming. |
| Jonathan | Yes, indeedy! What a great year it's going to be! |
| Kathleen | Yeee haaaaa! Austin power! |
| tranzpupy | Wow... |
| Kathleen, Dluzi, ACCESSNLP, Evsys | Yeah baby! |
| Kathleen | Hey, lets all look at our challenges that we have in our lives and do one big evil laugh! It helps makes a big difference! Come on everyone, group laugh! Muwhawhaha! |
| Jonathan, venus, Dluzi, Evsys, PureNLP | BWAHAHAHAHHAHA! Yahahahahaha! Gufawwhahaha! Wooooo Hoooo!!! Lololol! Whoooooeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! Hoohaa! Bwahhh ha ha ha! |
| PureNLP | Let's go, dear, we have places to go and people to do!! |
| Jonathan | That's the best way to approach learning & using NLP! I'll thank EVERYONE for coming & participating! What a treat it is to have Kathleen share techniques and an overall approach of fun & adventure! |
| Kathleen | Thank you Jonathan, once again! |
| IntriKate | And etchings |
| AccessNLP | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! |
| Jonathan | Get those ENDOMORPHINES kickin!!! |
| PureNLP | YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaa!!! |
| tranzpupy | MUHHHHHHaaaaa he he he he hehehehehehhehehehehe |
| Kathleen | A great opportunity for all, from you. A great holiday gift for us all! Thank you! |
| Jonathan | My pleasure, Kathleen! |
| IntriKate | See you in February, John & Kathleen! |
| PureNLP | Thanks, Jonathan!! You make this such an enjoyable place to be! |
| Jonathan | Thanks John! |
| Dluzi | Thanks to Goddess Kathleen... |
| tranzpupy | Coolll |
| Kathleen | Well, good night, everyone, gotta go! Thnk you everyone! |
| Dluzi | Night, Kathleen, and thanks again for all the info. |
| Evsys, venus, Interest, tranzpupy, Haylie | Thanks, Kathleen! |
| Kathleen | Thank you! Remember Austin! Go have fun; be an adventurer! Make good choices with good feelings first! |
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