Recently, on social media, an NLP Practitioner asked a question about a client who reported having a phobia, and with whom he used the NLP Fast Phobia Cure, which may have partly worked, but it came back a few days later?
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IRC Chat Log, June 14, 1998
NLP Overview | |
| Jonathan | Well, again, I'm pleased you all came by tonight -- this chat is in response to several requests I received rather suddenly all together -- asking for more of an overview chat.... something that used less jargon, something that provided higher-level ideas for people who may be new to all this NLP stuff! And I thought, What a Great Idea! Because there's ALL kinds of chat topic transcripts on the web site, including major NLP models of communication, particular advanced skills, some basic skills, and some of the basic chats upon re-reading them recently didn't seem all that basic in terms of the rapidity with which we covered that material. So I can easily see how Some of that material might have been breezed through. So we're going to stay VERY high-level tonight if we can... introducing NLP ideas to you... and only drill-down as we need to -- to clarify a given issue. Does that sound useful to everyone? (y/n) And as you're answering, why not take a moment to write down on a pad, some of your OWN high-level NLP questions. There will be time to get them addressed later on! |
| bracken, pforkes, Gorlock | y |
| Jonathan | As you're writing some questions you have.... make sure to prioritize them because I'm not sure we'll get to all of everyone's questions. But we'll ask & explore some of your best questions. So when I chunk waaaay up... categorize and prioritize my own wishes and desires with NLP... my own skills and goals/outcomes.... get as high-level as I can possibly be... the intention or insight which comes to mind is... How can I be a better Person? And what does that entail for me? What can I do to improve my situation in life and the situations of my family, my friends, my clients, etc...? How can I piece-by-piece improve all of my behavior... optimize my skills... be a more dynamic individual with other people... learn how to communicate more effectively and influence more responsibly, etc. ALL these things come to mind. How can I be a better parent? How can I enjoy my life more, experience more pleasure, be more amazed by the wonderful things in life... How do I learn to never again victimize myself? How do I learn to be more responsible, easily, naturally, comfortably, and with a sense of unbridled fulfillment? These are the things that come to mind for me. These are the questions which I explore as I pursue NLP and other related interests. I find that NLP offers me tools for pursuing answers to these questions... a wider variety of more effective tools than any other methodology or technology than I have ever encountered before. And I may yet find something better and more effective. Who knows... by USING NLP to improve upon itself, I may even be involved in finding something better and more effective, I don't know. I don't know what's going to come of that, but I do know that NLP offers people something akin to a "Human Brain's Owner's Manual." And a better-written one than anything else I've found. So we can get lost in the language patterns, or the jargon definitions... or in the techniques... or the skills... etc. And we'd experience a lot of skills development there. But if it doesn't fit into an overall framework of the pursuit of enlightenment and personal empowerment... then what's it ALL really for? I wonder. See, to me, it all goes to intent. It all boils down to "what is my outcome?" What *ARE* my outcomes? Before the chat began, one of our group here shared with us comments of having attended Tony Robbins' "Date With Destiny." And that he learned something about having explored his PRIMARY QUESTION. Well, without making anyone wrong -- because *we're ALL right*.... I do think my primary question varies from context to context and the only reason I think this is true.... is that our brains get motivated through the process NLP calls generalization. We naturally and usually inappropriately categorize things in our world around us. I think we're extraordinarily complex organisms... and most people get motivated and get clear when they can organize their thoughts into tight categories. Well... such categories exist, we create them... and behaviors are contextually appropriate and inappropriate. They vary a lot. What is a "stuck" state in one context may be the perfect thinking state for another context. "Murder" in one context may be "Self-Defense" in another context. "Being too nice" in one context might be... selfless and giving in another. Being REALLY creative in one context may be perfectly appropriate but in certain hierarchies... considered... uppity or disrespectful. I believe most people's stress comes from when the world doesn't do what you want it to. When you behave in a way that -- in that particular context -- may not be ideal. So. As complex organisms... in a complex world... we need to try to make sense of it all. Now. You can make the best of this in two ways: (1) You can keep chunking up & up & up until all the problems disappear and it all boils down to ONE wonderful drive or issue or pursuit. That's taking ADVANTAGE of the brain's natural tendency to want to simplify and categorize. (2) You can become more relaxed KNOWING that things aren't as simple as we'd like them to be, and allow our laughter connected with that to drive us forward into doing better than we thought we could, until we found out that we really can push forward without needing to simplify things! Does this make sense (y/n)? |
| pforkes | y |
| Jonathan | Some of Tony's motivational force comes from the process of steadily chunking UP with his seminar participants, as he's introducing NLP -related topics to his audiences. He USES NLP skills to make use of those natural brain processes, even if they aren't "truth..." to help us drive ourselves forward. Its a GOOD way. It isn't the only way. |
| symbol | y |
| Jonathan | Though what he offers is very useful, I like having more options! So. Let my fingers relax for a moment... and I want to open up the chat for a little bit to comments about the above, if you even have any yet! NLP for me is about pursuing answers to all of the above! So think about it. What kinds of thoughts, comments, or questions did any of the above spark... in you? |
| Gorlock | Let me try this..is my primary question changing from time to time as I chunk up and down under different circumstances and I interpret that as a lack of focus on high level outcomes? |
| symbol | You started out by saying "What *ARE* my outcomes?" That's very true for me. |
| finter | Jon - can u explain what chunking up means? |
| Jonathan | Yes finter -- chunking UP is the process of generalizing more & more & more |
| bracken | There's more information around in most situations than you can readily deal with - having an outcome you want to reach is a filter on which bits to attend to |
| Jonathan | Angel Hair with Red Marinara Sauce (CHUNKS UP TO:) pasta with red sauce (CHUNKS UP TO:) Italian Food (CHUNKS UP TO:) Food (CHUNKS UP TO:) Human Sustenance |
| piizaan | What if you chunk up too high? Like saying "I want to be successful", well what does that actually mean to me? |
| Jonathan | Piizaan -- depends on the person -- some people like the "big picture" approach to everything.... some people like to drill down into the details in order to move forward.... |
| symbol | I found it very useful to ask myself : " What is my intention to have THESE outcomes?" |
| Jonathan | Yes, symbol, I like that description... |
| finter | I see, so it all chunks up to happiness |
| Jonathan | Well, finter, you're on the right path there ;) and Tony Robbins knows this.... Whenever you chunk up... USUALLY, the problems disappear one by one. The smaller chunk you deal with, the more problems naturally arise. |
| piizaan | Too many things that you are worrying about? |
| finter | But surely you must tackle all the little chunks to achieve the finite goal |
| Jonathan | When people are lost in the problems they face... they haven't been able to SEE the forest for the trees. Tony chunks people up to 40,000' in the air... and it ALL looks good from there.... ;) Yes, finter... you must tackle the little stuff to create your outcome. But you won't be motivated to get through them quickly and with pleasure if you aren't directed towards what you KNOW is right there and tangible... touchable... within reach... |
| Gorlock | If you have to tackle all the little chunks, you may never deal with the big chunks...it's a numbers thing. |
| finter | 40,000 feet in the air scares the stuffing out of me, It doesn't make me happy |
| Jonathan | Finter, what DOES make you happy? (besides, 40,000 feet up is a metaphor... think top-of-the-mountain) |
| finter | Drinking Smoking and laughing, I'm ashamed to admit... and performing music to people, that is the biggest rush |
| Jonathan | So... if you were alone in a room, by yourself, drinking, smoking, & laughing... that would make you happy??? |
| finter | Well its better if there is a room of people, but taking away the rest of the people, I am almost complete until the next day, then i feel awful |
| Jonathan | Laughing, Smoking & Drinking by yourself is almost all of what you're after? OK. |
| finter | No, not at all, its a crutch |
| Jonathan | Lets move this in another direction, thank you..... but before I do.... I'd like to say that PAIN and difficulty in people's lives... is a FUNCTION of... or a RESULT of... an impoverished view of the world and of your own possibilities. People create crutches or habits out of the most fun things in their lives -- without knowing how MUCH more satisfying other things can be. |
| Gorlock | Jon could you explain impoverished as you used it there? |
| Jonathan | Yes, Gorlock, I will explain impoverished, but in a little bit (be patient). So using things like the Meta-Model... you can find out what people's models of the world really are like. You can use NLP models of communication ... (like the Meta Model)... to listen to the words people use (or listen to the words YOU use).... and hear the SURFACE STRUCTURE of their communication (surface structure is "what you hear.") And you can learn from the surface structure... what people's INTERNAL understanding of reality is all about. This is about using the surface structure to build a MODEL of their internal "DEEP STRUCTURE" of experience. Following me here? Surface structure's WHAT YOU HEAR, Deep Structure is WHAT YOU DON'T HEAR! Hear, here! ;) |
| follie | I must be slow... |
| Jonathan | Follie, go ahead and tell me what isn't clear about the above, I want it to be clear! |
| follie | The difference between surface and deep structure, I think. Maybe some different words? |
| Jonathan | OK. How many people have heard the NLP statement "The Map is Not The Territory?" What this basically means is... "reality" is some intangible middle-zone that we can never truly know. Reality is the TERRITORY. And inside our minds, we create little maps of the world... through which we operate... and which get build through our sensory systems (using visual or auditory info, for example) Now. Our internal MAPS... are not the same thing as the TERRITORY. Because... when creating those maps... we DELETE, DISTORT, and GENERALIZE all that information coming in through our senses! |
| follie | Are you saying that "you can't judge a book by its cover"? |
| Jonathan | Similar, follie, but probably not the same. We create... "IMPOVERISHED" views of the world, automatically, because we never have ALL the information needed to create a MAP that exactly matches reality. That's what I mean by impoverished. |
| follie | We see what we focus on, which may not be what's really happening? |
| Jonathan | We never, ever EVER have as much information as we COULD have, if we were really perceiving & understanding "reality." Sure, Follie. Now. this isn't tragic.... its just.. how our brains operate. Its not a BAD thing. The only bad thing would be to not understand these processes and how they happen, and then... never make USE of these processes. In short... NLP is how to RUN YOUR OWN BRAIN BETTER! Does this make sense? And it starts by accepting how your brain does certain things. Now. We have these maps that aren't the same thing as reality. Which CAUSES us, to rely on our "assumptions or beliefs" about ourselves and other people quite a lot. And a belief is a curious thing... we can have empowering beliefs... and we can have limiting beliefs. And most people don't know... that the difference is very small. It only takes a choice... it doesn't take years of experience... or lots of pain... to decide to have more empowering beliefs. NLP teaches us skills for SHAPING POWERFUL beliefs. And we then act on those beliefs in the world. By doing so... we create a better life for ourselves and for those around us. {phew!} So. Back to DEEP STRUCTURE vs SURFACE STRUCTURE! Deep structure... is you own mindset... your own belief systems... your own internal constructs that represent reality. I don't hear the deep structure of your experience... but the deep structure supports the words you use when you speak with me. So in your SURFACE structure (the language I hear), I hear CLUES as to how you understand the world (your DEEP STRUCTURE!). |
| follie | Thanks, Jonathan, I'm with you now, I think |
| Jonathan | And I hear CLUES... using NLP Techniques... for determining how you are limiting yourself! By looking & listening for particular things... which may be in your deep structure... I can find out where your OWN limiting beliefs are preventing you from being more self-empowered.... from experiencing more pleasure... and from, lets say, having better relationships or, earning more money. NLP is not only about learning to run YOUR own brain better..... its also about learning how to help OTHER people run their own brains better.... or... about you learning how other people run their own brains.. so that you can communicate with them more effectively. Or so that you can learn from them more efficiently. {phew} I'm done for the moment. That covers a LOT of high-level material. Now... I'd like to ask everyone if they have any questions about the above... and if they don't then we'll move into YOUR general NLP questions! |
| Jonathan | Everyone throw your questions out to the channel now, And we'll get to them 1 by 1. Each person send only 1, for the moment... please! |
| Guest8992 | Let's talk about spatial anchoring versus submodalities anchoring.. |
| finter | I have a question about people language. NLP describes how you can tell someone's primary modal by using peoples speech pattern, where i live I have noticed every one uses the term "I see" its a colloquialism, but how can u distinguish between "sayings" and real expression? |
| Jonathan | Why would you want to, finter? I mean, don't you think that if they were made uncomfortable by the unconscious implication of the colloquialism, that they wouldn't use it? |
| finter | We have a lot of pretty scenery here could that be the cause? |
| Jonathan | Might be. |
| finter | I don't understand you. |
| Jonathan | What I'm saying is... People wouldn't use the term "I see" if their unconscious mind wanted to "hear," not "see." |
| finter | OK |
| Jonathan | If they use "I see" then chances are they're happy touching on a visual mode there long enough to say "I see" if not longer... ;) Touching on a visual mode ;) |
| Ruralguy | Perhaps this question is out of place, but how does one change one's limiting beliefs to powerful ones? |
| Jonathan | Ruralguy... its a good question, and there are a lot of ways. I'll keep my answer high level. (1) Have you read my chat log on Belief Systems yet? (2) Have you read Time for a Change? |
| Ruralguy | I probably did, but don't remember it right now. Yes. |
| Jonathan | Those two sources will give you a lot of information on changing beliefs. |
| MarcM | Plus the book "Beliefs" :) plus, the other one by Dilts which is the same thing :) |
| Jonathan | And I mean a LOT of information. In (2) above... look for the section on the belief change matrix. Also "Changing Belief Systems with NLP." Dilts. OK. |
| Ruralguy | Thank you. |
| Jonathan | So...... other high-level questions? |
| finter | What is high level? |
| Jonathan | Here's what I believe is high-level enough for this chat: "Can NLP be used to help X?" "Can NLP improve Y?" "Can I learn NLP for Z?" |
| MarcM | One of the problems I've always had with beliefs, is, well... you believe them for a reason. i.e. You've got some evidence to support them. |
| symbol | Another question : how do I develop the ability to see/notice structures? |
| Jonathan | GREAT QUESTION, symbol... The Meta-Model is a collection of language patterns under the groupings... Deletion, Generalization, and Distortion. And by learning the patterns that fit under those categories.... and learning how they sound... what the clues are for them... you'll start to hear these patterns in language ALL around you. In everyone's speech. This is not eclectic material. Everyone uses these patterns, and so few people are paying attention to the semantic implications of those patterns! So just by learning the patterns from a book, or booklet, or the web... and by getting experience listening for the patterns, you would automatically begin to hear them in the language people use around you, all day long. It would amaze you to know how much information people are giving away without knowing about it. I have an exercise workbook I just finished up on the Meta Model patterns, actually. |
| finter | Can NLP be used to help someone with agoraphobia? |
| Jonathan | Agoraphobia? |
| finter | Yes, open spaces. |
| symbol | Sometimes my attention seems to be more on the inside instead of the outside |
| Jonathan | Yes, Symbol... I would imagine you mind-read a lot... you have a strong set of internal voices... it tends to get in the way of your best results, does it not? |
| symbol | Yes. Yes, it sometimes does |
| Jonathan | Yep, NLP does help with that, but typically that takes some time to gain more flexibility about internal/external direction.... training's help more than books do with that. |
| symbol | Going to a 3rd position (or diss.) helps |
| Jonathan | NLP can help people make some very profound changes, its certainly true. You can learn a lot from books & tapes. But live in-person training makes SO much difference in terms of the behavioral installation of these skills. |
| Grendal | {smile} |
| Jonathan | That's kind of the reason for my upcoming fall seminar series. I recognize a couple of names of people here who are planning on attending. 3 days of concrete skills development. So you get a vivid taste of what it can do for you. Its very difficult for many people to commit to an NLP Practitioner Training when they don't know what the concrete results would be for themselves... I understand that! |
| finter | Jon - have you ever thought about a seminar in the uk? |
| Jonathan | Finter -- I'd LOVE to do a training in the UK. I'm negotiating to do some work over in Europe in the Spring, so it may be a possibility. |
| Jonathan | Let's take stock of where we're at. We've covered 1ST what your goals and outcomes are. We've talked about the kinds of questions you can ask yourselves regarding what areas of your life you'd like to improve, optimize, enjoy more... etc.... And we've talked about how we can understand other people so much more clearly... their internal understanding of life... their direction... and we IMPLIED -- ( but didn't address directly) how we can help ENRICH their deep structure using our knowledge of their potentially impoverished deep structure. Because we don't CURE people with NLP. We only ENRICH people's possibilities! We ADD to the options we and they have... we take stock of our own position in relation to where we want to be going... and the position of others in relation to where they want to be going... and we can use NLP to enrich our MAPS....to have a more open set of possibilities and options... |
Joe Riggio joins the chat! | |
| Jonathan | Would that be Joe Riggio arriving now? Excellent! If that's Joe Riggio, then we're in for a treat! |
| ethonics | Yep, it's me Joseph Riggio. |
| Jonathan | Welcome Joe! |
| Grendal | Joe, Welcome. |
| ethonics | Thanks ... So what you folks been chewing away at??? |
| Jonathan | Glad you can join the chat! --we're near closure on the "official chat" for the evening on "Introducing NLP" but I'm SURE people would love to ask you some questions... Folks, I met Joe in Austin TX, folks, at Bandlers' Meta Master Track. |
| ethonics | Go for it ... I'll do my best to answer what I can as I can ... |
| Jonathan | Joe runs Applied Behavioral Technologies... An NLP Training and Consulting business, if I'm not mistaken. |
| ethonics | You've got it just about right on. We do about 80% of our business consulting to Fortune 100 profile international companies and the remaining 20% delivering "open" seminars like our "Mythogenic Self" ... |
| Jonathan | Folks... you asked ME a lot of questions earlier... why not repeat the questions for Joe now? That way you get not only my opinion -- but also the opinion of a trainer who's been doing this quite a bit longer than have I! Take advantage! And I'll just ask Joe to answer at a really high level (for the sake of the chat log and for the sake of our attendees, many of whom are very new to NLP). Step up with your questions folks, Joe is a really warm & giving guy -- and its a major bonus to be able to ask your questions again of someone else like Joe! |
| Grendal | What do the larger companies ask of your training's? |
| ethonics | Basically it's simple. R O I (Return on Investment). In general we're not cheap, in fact we're probably at the high end of the market ... between $2000 and $10,000 per participant. |
| Grendal | do you teach them, or install within them? |
| follie | as a real newbie, let me try a question... |
| ethonics | Usually, what this must translate into is demonstrated performance improvement and unqualified participant enthusiasm for the training. |
| follie | when one is first starting out to try to learn about the people I work with, and with all the possibilities for learning about people's surface and deep structures, what kinds of things should I start with? "People i work with" = my clients & customers |
| ethonics | In terms of topics the most frequently requested are sales training and high level management development (including negotiation). |
| follie | in other words, where do i begin? |
| ethonics | Follie ... this is an interesting question, especially as my area of expertise and interest is in creating transformational change at the individual and organizational levels. In some circles this is referred to as 'generative' change. I'm a little uneasy with the word 'generative' as I've heard it bandied about to represent symptomatological change and that's not how I understand it ... |
| follie | i don't want to change other people so much as i want to learn where they are coming from |
| ethonics | To go direct to your question of where you can begin and what to "look" for my most specific and general comment would be ... It's all in the body first. Language will always be at least one step removed from direct experience. |
| follie | unfortunately 95% of my work is done on the phone... |
| ethonics | Well then go to the next most direct marker ... auditory tonal. This includes tone, pitch, rhythm, volume, pace. If I had to give you a specific recommendation here, what I'd say is first mark out and respond to the rhythms. Rhythm is the interface between tonal and kinesthic anyway. It will always contain information about the kinesthetic experience. |
| follie | ok |
| Jonathan | Do you mean, pacing, Joe? Picking up the same pace of their rhythms? |
| ethonics | This is deeper than pacing. Pacing and leading must be interlaced anyway. In the end when rapport is present who's pacing who? Of course pacing is critical to establishing and maintaining rapport and I find very few practitioners can do it to the extent necessary to establish and hold 'deep' rapport. |
| Jonathan | Agreed, I always find it to be a dance. |
| symbol | Another question : Which NLP-models are most effective in creating change at the organizational level? (i'm a student business management) |
| ethonics | Symbol, I'm not sure of what you mean by NLP Models. Could you give me an example??? |
| symbol | e.g. I found Logical Levels very useful in thinking about org. change |
| ethonics | As I understand the NLP Model it's an integral whole form. In this regard I'm a little unique and to the end of a continuum in the NLP community. When the model starts getting segregated and fragmented it's no longer the NLP model as I understand it ... at this point it's gone to technique. |
| Jonathan | Folks... if we're going to go down this route... I'm going to stop & thank everyone for coming and participating and close down the chat on an NLP Overview officially. I'll stick around and participate beyond that, but if we get into this, its getting beyond the simple overview I had in mind for introducing NLP to you (which is just fine!) So.... thanks to everyone! Readers can find more from Joseph Riggio (Ethonics) in 2 other chats published here! |
IRC CHAT OVER! | |
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- Tom OlsonMarylandAttended Course : NLP Skills-Builders (course)
Thank you for such a wonderful and powerful introduction to NLP. I must admit that Friday night, I was feeling a mix of excitement and skepticism. Although I had already read three books on NLP, I still needed proof. I needed someone to show me that NLP was for real, and show me, you did. The skeptical voice in the back of my head was quickly quelled. I appreciate the openness and respect you exhibited to the attendees through out the entire three days. But most of all it was fun, and for me, an adventure. I do plan to continue this adventure with additional training. Thanks again for pointing out the possibilities. You are a great trainer and I look forward to training with you in the future.
1998 - Peter FreethLondon, UKAttended Course : Belief Craft MP3 Set
Less than 5 hours after the end of Jonathan's KE course in London I'm visualising extensive and complex belief systems hidden within language - and keeping up a 'full time' conversation at the same time. Why is this useful? In the past I may have gotten to a strategy and thought 'I'm done' whereas now I hear and see the whole complex structure. Key decision points and` behaviours are emerging which are many times more complete, powerful and elegant than anything I would have arrived at previously through standard 'strategy elicitation'. Before today, I knew people who I thought were complex, now I know that they're no more complex than anyone else, they just hide their beliefs better. This means that I know that I can now choose to work with everybody rather than just the 'easy people'. I am now creating subtle and elegant interventions without thinking about it and I know how much that is going to benefit me more and more over time. And I had a great time too!
2003 - John SchertzerVice President, Securities, & NLP Master Practitioner, New York, NYAttended Course : Linguistic Wizardry
"Right after coming back from his training in Boston, I was cooking! A few weeks after the training I did what many people said was my best poetry performance ever -- actually had people calling be up, asking me to email poems to them, and to put them on my mailing list (but I don't have a mailing list) -- and since then I've been a very useful to my friends, family and clients, helping them deal with emotional and mental obstacles, and make creative breakthroughs and achieve their goals. Jonathan sets a great example, and blasts through beliefs that are holding you back from being your best. But I'll let YOU find out how."
2005 - Byron WoodsonPhiladelphia, PABought Audio : Knowledge Engineering
Jon Altfeld's Knowledge Engineering Home study course is the best money on NLP I've ever spent. I've read all of the early NLP books, and most of the books in their bibliographies. I've also been to one 14-day training. To date, most NLP has been 'intellectual' and 'peicemeal' for me. Since listening to Jon's seminar and reading the transcript, I've been able move from 'knowing about' to 'knowing' how to model other people's experiences and belief systems, and with way less effort. Jon expanded on Dilts' Normalized Belief Structure. The way Jon builds and weaves this structure enabled me to understand clearly how it worked. His course indirectly set up the "NBS" as a lynchpin, integrating other aspects of NLP for me. Most of the stuff I've exposed myself to in NLP focuses on either the sensory systems or the language. This KE course has enabled me to understand how sensory-systems are integrated into language. This has me tracking people's experiences and languaging not like a 1-2-3 beginner dance instruction, but rather like keeping up with a good salsa tune! And with a partner to boot! Through the course, he leads you to using this tool in simple and dynamic ways. Using the "NBS" has enabled me to attend to, understand and track the experience of anyone I talk to. It has also enabled me to deal with people more powerfully. Two days after finishing the course, using this tool, I both defused one, and prevented another almost-guaranteed argument with my girlfriend, in the same night! This is the first NLP product that I've read and/or experienced that enables me to easily attend to, track and deal with another person's belief systems in real-time/uptime. This home study course actually puts the 'programming' in NLP.
2004 - Howard SweeneyDenver, COAttended Course : “Irresistible Voice”seminar
Jonathan Altfeld's Irresistible Voice Workshop is one of the most impactful trainings that I have ever experienced. In just the first few minutes of the workshop, Jonathan was able to provide both me and all of my fellow participants with instant, dramatic, and positive results in finding our true voices and having us start using them fully as quality instruments of clarity and communication. Jonathan utilized his significant training skills and unique technology to guide me to a much more pleasing and expressive voice in only three fun-filled days. Now, after the "feel good" of most training and workshops has long passed, I find that (thanks to Jonathan) I am continuing to improve my new-found voice skills on a daily basis. Jonathan provided me with a solid foundation to automatically make effortless and continuous improvements in my voice. Other folks are now complementing me on my voice - that's certainly a new experience for me! Jonathan didn't stop with simply having me sound much better. He amped it up with fun exercises where I learned exactly how to use my new-found richer sounding voice and use my words to communicate much more effectively and produce positive results in others. With short, fun, and creative exercises, Jonathan taught me life-changing speaking skills that will only get better and better, auto-magically. Jonathan's personalized one-on-one coaching helped me achieve results that I truly did not think would be possible in just 3 days. I cannot begin to express my profound thanks to Jonathan for the life-changing skills he instilled in me in just a few short days. If you are interested in a much better sounding voice that will have positive and life-changing impact, sign up now and make sure you are one of the fortunate folks to attend Jonathan's Irresistible Voice Workshop.
2009 - Michael BealeNLP Trainer, PPI, Milton Keynes, UKAttended Course : Knowledge Engineering
I can throroughly recommend this course for anyone who is interested in developing their skills in modelling excellent performance, developing opportunities or solving problems. The skills apply equally well to concepts at work as well as to personal issues. In addition the relatively small numbers helped create an exceptionally positive atmosphere and enabled excellent individual feedback.
http://www.ppimk.com2000 - David GouldBristol Hypnotherapy, Bristol, UKAttended Course : Knowledge Engineering
(written in 1998:) Jonathan has not been doing NLP all that long, & yet his skills already surpass almost all the other trainers. Most of you will probably be wondering how he does it. Luckily, Jonathan has decided to teach us in a special 3-day training he calls "Knowledge Engineering & NLP". Because of the original nature of the material being taught & because of Jonathan's mastery of teaching at many levels simultaneously, the training suits all levels of NLP ability. He is also very good at tailoring the training to the participants: most of what we did was made up as we went along & yet, because it all went so well, I assumed it had been planned! Jonathan is quite happy teaching something completely irrelevant to the material if he thinks it's useful to the trainees. I found this particularly refreshing. I confidently recommend this course to everyone, especially those who want to progress a lot faster with NLP.
http://www.deep-trance.com1998 - Andrew JoyPrincipal French Horn, Cologne Radio Orchestra, Cologne, GermanyBought Audio : Finding Your Irresistible Voice
Your CDs arrived safe and sound. I've listened to the first two and worked on the exercises. I'm a 55 year young, professional principal french horn player and have been working in a top German symphony orchestra for the past 30 years. I listened to the bonus telephone interview today. I am blown away. The results, applying your voice exercises to my playing (and to my students) are phenomenal. Resonance plays a huge role in performing on a brass instrument and very few poeple understand much about it. I've picked up useful and practical information, from singers and voice coaches, that I've been able to adapt to brass playing. Explaining resonance is now easy using your nose, mouth, throat etc, approach. The killer though, is using double resonance. I have free at present and don't have to perform in the orchestra (and the hall) until the beginning of Febuary. However, I am itching to hear how my changed sound is in our hall. It has to be amazing. Your material has added wonderfully valuable understandings to my comprehension of what constitutes excellent quality brass player and has beautifully simplified my means of effectively communicating it to my students. There has been a lot of belly laughter, stunned ears and broad smiles in my teaching studio this week. I'm teaching a course to amateur wind and brass players next year and am looking forward to applying your teachings to this particular situation for the benefit of the people attending. Thanks a million. This is one of the few times in my life where I've been gladly reeling and with a huge smile on my face.
http://www.andrewjoy.com2007 - Mark WilsonBismarck, NDAttended Course : Flirtopia DVD-set
When I grew up we moved many times. I hadn't developed any social skills, so as I grew up I would always be shy around strangers. I begin to feel anxious in meeting not only women but also any new people. What would I say? What happens when the conversation dies? I would hang on to anyone who showed any interest in me. Needless to say, I dated many "Ms. Right Now's" rather than "Ms. Right's" because they accepted me. After I attended the Flirtopia seminar, now I feel comfortable in any social situation. In having a new perspective in reading their comfort level, interest and willingness to follow me, I can lead them into many other activities that I enjoy. As I look back in my life, without attending Flirtopia, I know I would either be alone or with people who not only would tolerate my shyness but eventually become bored with it and take advantage of me. Now I find there is so much more to life. More doors have opened through becoming more social and I have been able to choose a woman who enjoys my company and we enjoy a much richer relationship. I know there have been events that have changed who I am today. Flirtopia is one of the most important in becoming who I am today. Thank you Jonathan.
2000 - Matthew NewnhamChange Management Consultant, Edinburgh, UKAttended Course :
From my perspective, context and meaning are, if not everything, a very big slice of the cake. Jonathan Altfeld's 'Knowledge Engineering' has provided me with the tools and understanding to create contextual maps of any problem, with cause, effect AND meaning. This approach is very powerful, and allowed me to create breakthrough strategies immediately, with clarity and certainty of purpose. Beyond this, Jonathan is exceptionally wise and articulate about NLP and how to use it to effect meaningful, lasting change. He is also very approachable and generous, and a pleasure to work with.
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