NLP Training Chat: John La Valle on:
DHE ™ ( Design Human Engineering ™ )
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President of the Society of NLP™
Master Trainer of NLP
Richard Bandler's co-trainer in the USA
Co-Author of Persuasion Engineering.
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| Jonathan | I'm pleased to announce the start of the chat! Thanks to all of you for coming! And most importantly, I'd like to thank John La Valle for spending some quality time here with us! Welcome! |
| PureNLP | Thanks! Good to be here. |
| MetaMAN | *clapping* |
| Jonathan | Fantastic. We had a number of topics we were mulling over, but most of the folks that I'd asked in earlier chats (after I knew you'd agreed....) wanted to hear a lot about DHE ™! |
| PureNLP | Oky Doky, will answer what I can. |
| Jonathan | Sounds great! Well... I'm going to start off by asking a little basic DHE ™ history. Right off the bat -- when did DHE ™ come along by comparison to NLP? |
| PureNLP | Well, it's hard to say, ya know, because Richard has been developing so many things all along. But just for history's sake, let's say it was about 1988-89. I know there's someone who's going to ask the difference, so, to understand, it's also difficult to discern the difference when it basically stems from one guy involved in the development of both. There are differences, though. Some of the ones are: NLP was remedial; DHE ™ is generative in every sense of the word. |
| Jonathan | Should we wait until later to explore that one? |
| PureNLP | Sense. NLP uses strategies that are sequential. DHE ™ uses simultaneous installation strategies and defies old beliefs about building NEW feelings... ones not experienced, yet. NLP is based on observations... DHE ™ is based on CALCULATIONS. |
| Jonathan | Interesting. Now... Phoenix has a GREAT question that would be useful here... "How far has DHE ™ come since the DHE ™ tapes..." Can you describe a little about the EVOLUTION of DHE ™. How has DHE ™ evolved since the tapes came out, if at all... |
| PureNLP | How has DHE ™ evolved? |
| Jonathan | Yes. |
| PureNLP | If it hasn't, then it isn't doing what it was designed to do, be recursive in continuous improvement for people as well as for the technology itself. Too bad people continue to wait before actually going to a seminar because by the time they finally decide, they want to learn what's already old and then they want to learn everything. I know many people think it's a put on, but I can tell you, it's not. |
| Jonathan | I agree! Alright... This one comes from Ross: "Why is it important to think in terms of directions instead of OUTCOMES? Isn't it important that people keep their outcomes in mind in order to get them?" |
| PureNLP | Outcomes limit and chunk down, OK for therapy. We don't do therapy. Don't even approve of it! Directions will take resources and propel them through futures and other (language) ideas and installations will permeate the neurological system in ways that are permanent. |
| Jonathan | In a moment I'm going to turn the whole floor over to our guest of honor... and let him lead the channel... And I'd like to do this over the topic of what exactly or is the nature of DHE ™? |
| PureNLP | Actually, DHE ™ has no nature unto itself; it's just another nominalization for building new things. I like RB's (of course, I'm slightly biased) "The territory is the map" (c)rbandler. You've got to consider a few things. "What" we have today didn't exist at one time. They started as an idea in someone's mind. |
| Jonathan | Makes sense... |
| PureNLP | Now, look at what's been developed over the years. I go into companies and tell them the 2 biggest excuses people can have really didn't exist: Time & $$. We made them up. Now, they exist(?). That keyboard you are all using was just an idea in someone's mind. Now look in front of yourself. See it? Not to mention the screen and all those little "post-It®" notes! |
| Jonathan | Sure, there it is... |
| PureNLP | These things were just ideas; Now looky at what we have! But those are just the material things. |
| Jonathan | Agreed. |
| PureNLP | What about the people in the darkest parts of the world that can regenerate fingers? Including joints? And where the creativity comes in is, hey, just think, if they can do that, why not build in a gold or diamond finder into that finger tip? Or women. I personally haven't found too many places where NLP people are remembering that "linguistics" is our middle name. And so, since it's what we have to work with in using our brains, we for-sure add this to the skills development parts of DHE ™. Language skills, that is. It's what we use most to run our brains. Then there are resources. In NLP we have taught that all the resources are inside yourself, and that's true, but what about "new" ones? Are they really new? Or do we not access the mechanism to create new resources that already there? The mechanism, that is. That's the one resource that most people don't use. They chunk down way too far for something and then forget to chunk up to where it can be even more useful. We want people to build inside themselves those "strategies", where they are getting better and better each and everyday at whatever it is they want to be better at... based on "feedback loops" that either already exist, or that they can build. I'd like to open it up for questions. I'll be difficult at first, but if we follow these guidleines, it'll work out much better. If you already have DHE ™ experience, please hold your questions, because there are many out there who have questions, and I'd prefer to answer those first, you understand. It'll be difficult at first, not me :)) Those without experience who have questions? |
| Jonathan | Hyperbond Asked: "Where do you see the technology going in 5 years?" |
| PureNLP | Why limit it to 5 years? People who have been trained are developing each and everyday -- new ideas -- new strategies -- new ways of communicating (telepathy) -- etc etc. If I knew where it'd be in 5 years, it'd be there now. |
| Jonathan | Dan26 asked: "in the DHE ™ model, are "new" resources analogous to natural resources buried in the earth that we must develop new tools for discovering, so that they are already there lying dormant waiting to be discovered and utilized?" |
| PureNLP | Dan26, in some cases, yes. There are many places to look. You can develop internal tools from external ones, like, how about a built in compass so you know what direction you're going in, each and every moment of your life? |
| Jonathan | Hyperbond has a great one: "Could you please give *examples* of the three most useful applications you can think of DHE ™ having in enhancing someone's skills?" |
| PureNLP | Sure, we had 3 guys who called one day after the Meta Master Track in Austin (did some DHE ™, of course) and they called to complain. 1 had $15,000 show up in his business that he wasn't planning on. The other 2 were getting psychic info that was dead nuts on the money! Their complaint was, how come they didn't realize it would happen? Because they had it on their minds when they were building in things! What'd they think, that we just work on outcomes? They love it and it hasn't stopped for them! Now they get to adjust their mechanisms. So they have more control over them. DHE ™ is also about having conscious control over your unconscious processes in a way that enables you to make the changes you want continuously. |
| Jonathan | Pouch asked: "In terms of overall effectiveness as generative tools, are DHE ™ "hallucinations" and "devices" equally useful in somnambulistic states as well as deep trances?" |
| PureNLP | Of course, but where will you have more conscious control? These "devices" are just a way to get somewhere. Believe me, as soon as I figure it out, I'm teleporting and getting rid of the car! Hey I can visit you guys, one at a time instead of out here :-)) on the Internut! It's just a way of getting better control at first. |
| Jonathan | Benzene has a good one: "DHE ™ seems so chunked up, are there any specific techniques or is DHE ™ just a whole new way of thinking?" |
| PureNLP | Hey Benzene, it's a whole new way of thinking and while using what you already have, and then some. I know that some people are thinking and asking and commenting about DHE ™ being too chunked up, and not enough specifics, that's because we, at costs, avoid nominalizing the processes. Otherwise, they will generalize too soon for what they're worth. Get used to it. People who have learned about it are blown away. That's why they can't explain it out there. Hell, most people can't even explain NLP. Nominalizations, remember? Too many people want to learn "something" but they forget that learning is a continuous process each and everyday, individually. And so, it's difficult to describe in detail. If you were to come to seminar of mine, I would want to know what's on your mind, in it, and alongside of it, so I could design the program right there, for the people who are there. People ask, well what's on the agenda? I don't know because I don't know who's there, but open your mind, ask some questions, tell me what you want to do and we're off and running. I had to build in a machine for that, just ask those who have been in the seminar room with me. Be careful what you ask for though. It's important... to be able to have access to your own resources, whenever, wherever you'll need/want them. Multitasking is very very useful everyday in your own mind. |
| RossJ | It seems to me that "psychic experiences" and "abilities" are almost a byproduct of DHE ™ training... was Richard trying to "sneak up" on folks, knowing that they'd have these experiences as a by-product of DHE ™ training? So, rather than tell them that or promise them that..let them discover there are all sorts of experiences they can have that they didn't expect or existed outside of their belief structures? |
| PureNLP | Well, Richard always tests things well before he presents them, for sure. Why set up expectations? |
| Jonathan | I'm laughing; I love watching that! |
| PureNLP | There are so many beliefs that can be opened, put aside, blown away, especially when it isn't expected. You can't argue with your own experience. |
| RossJ | Ha! Brilliant of the Boss! Because once they learn there is so much more than they could expect...what they want to design in will change as well...keeps feeding back...go beyond expectations...to change what you want to design..which leads to going further beyond... which leads to further changing what you want to design... Unbelievable feed forward and back loop! |
| PureNLP | That's why experience is the best way "towards" understanding! LOL! |
| Jonathan | By the time anything is presented.... people already have the experience of having gone through it in their minds... even if not completely consciously accessible, but often so. |
| RossJ | That seems to me to be the heart of Richard's genius in DHE ™ and what he's really attempting to give to people..not the individual cool "Devices" that folks get fixated on "binoculars," "x-ray glasses" etc |
| PureNLP | Those are just the toys. If you can do that, just imagine what else is possible for you! |
| RossJ | The finger pointing at the moon, not the moon itself... |
| PureNLP | Yeah! Hey, how come you understand? Too much Speed Seduction! LOL |
| Jonathan | I knows Ross took a DHE ™ training.... (oops! letting the cat out of the bag!) |
| _Stile_ | He's been to rex sikes' training :) |
| PureNLP | Hey, no advertising here, we are accused of that already. |
| RossJ | Uh... well... I always chunk up and ask, "What is Richard really attempting to do as he distracts us with something that we THINK it is really all about?" |
| PureNLP | Ross, that works. |
| RossJ | That's my way of understanding him... he leads us by what we can accept all the while sneaking in the real magic... and all the while the dimwits are thinking the distractions are the heart of it... never realizing just what a gift he is giving people.... |
| PureNLP | Real magic? |
| Jonathan | Not really dimwits ;) lets give people credit for being amazing learning machines.... |
| PureNLP | ROFL |
| RossJ | Taking people beyond what they expected so they can then ask, "What do I want to design in now?" Jon: they are dimwits IMHO |
| PureNLP | He's been doing it for years |
| Jonathan | OK... I think we're reaching another stage... I'd like to take this in another direction if that would be OK! |
| PureNLP | Sure. |
| Jonathan | I'd like to explore a little more meat & potatoes! (hey Honey? Can you bring somma doze meat & potatoes over here?) |
| PureNLP | Me, too! |
| Jonathan | What I mean is that... DHE ™ is about chunking up and designing in new things... and I know that it takes several Days to get trained in DHE ™... so I'm not expecting to be a DHE ™ expert in another hour... |
| PureNLP | Good, me either! Still working on it! |
| Jonathan | But if there were a couple of things I could do & explore... right here right now... to at least get some tangible feel for what I'm working with here... where might we start? |
| PureNLP | Well, again, it's difficult in this single media. |
| Jonathan | I agree. I know its an "impoverished" communications mode. |
| PureNLP | But, let's take a look at those control panels everybody seems to know something about. Would that work? That way people can leave here with a little more meat. (sorry Tony) |
| Jonathan | Yes! What's up 1st? |
| PureNLP | OK - control panels |
| RossJ | Do the dials go clockwise or counterclockwise? That's important, right? |
| PureNLP | We have people build at first an easy control panel |
| Jonathan | OK lets keep it simple & StraightForward |
| PureNLP | It's not about some hokey thing replacing Sick-Step-Reframing, as has been assumed by some. It's about teaching your brain to have more precise control over your submodalities in ways that you haven't, so that you can build new ones. It's also a way of changing, building, enhancing, developing, new synesthesias. |
| Jonathan | OK, can we do a quick submodality definition? I know thats reaallly basic, but... |
| PureNLP | Sure, give'm a quick definition, jon |
| Jonathan | Modalities = Representational Systems, Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic (feelings), Gustatory (taste), & Olfactory (smell). Sub-Modalities = the *qualities* of each of those modalities. Like for visual -- brightness, location, size, shape, clarity, etc. You can change these things to alter your sensory experiences, etc. More on Submodalities can be found in... the "Insider's Guide to Submodalities" and in "Using Your Brain.... For a Change." |
| PureNLP | Well, it's not enough to just understand SMD's. As soon as we get to that, people go, 'Oh, I know that, already.' That tells me they don't know how to use them. Because if they did, they'd go, "OK, so what's new here?" and open some new windows to understanding. Just imagine, if you could manipulate your own SMD's, in ways that could run all possible combinations across all modalities, then you'be be one hell of a creative machine. All too often people want to know that they understand what they already understand instaed of going into the "new" places. Now using these control panels, gives you a way to directly change each SMD, and actually, now get this, because people all too often want new "techniques" things they can explain. Using these control panels actually gives you a way of exercising your brain. Otherwise, how do you excerise it now? |
| Jonathan | Yeah! How do I exercise it now! ;) |
| PureNLP | Sure! Most people I meet say they too busy to remember what to do (with their NLP skills). I think to myself, why work so hard? How about integrating everything so you are NLP, instead of having to remember it? The control panels are explicit in the way that they give you to begin to design things. Gotta know how the ingredients work, first. Otherwise, you'll just remember that one recipe. If you know how the ingredients work, and under what conditions, then you can come up with your own recipes. Now, using the panels requires explicit steps. If you don't first learn to operate each submodality completely, then your brain won't learn how to use them with precision. Remember, precision is somewhat different than chunking down. While it uses the process of chunking down, it's different from what most people understand. Manipulating each SMD, starting with kinesthetics, then on to auditory, then to visual, one at a time, independently. Take 1 SMD, increase it all the way as far as you can, then decrease it the same, then put it back. Learn what your brain is capable of doing. Just this exercise alone will do great things for you! |
| Jonathan | Tangram just asked a great relevant question! "Does John mean you spend a bunch of time exploring each in the context of a machine, or is he suggesting you learn your SMD abc's (or is that VAK's) before moving on to building with them?" |
| PureNLP | Tangram, first take each one, and exercise each SMD in Kinesthetic, then do the same for Auditory, then Visual. |
| Jonathan | MarcM asks "Can DHE ™ be used to make internal visualizations more vivid, clear? And if it can, HOW?" |
| PureNLP | MarcM, of course, it can, since you would take each SMD to the limits, but start with K first. Got it? If you do the K's really well, then the rest follows. Start with the K's, you know, from the old brain! |
| Jonathan | MarcM asks "do some people have limits on clarity/vividness then?" |
| PureNLP | Marc, do they have limits? ...not afterwards... Why even go there? How can you perceive a limit unless you are calibrating against other peoples' pictures, and then how do you know how bright theirs are? Unless you can see thm as they describe them to you? And if you can make that comparison inside your mind between yours and theirs, guess what... there are no limits, then, are there? I get this in some seminars, by the way. |
| Jonathan | Assuming that we had practiced our submodality adjustments at some length on a console.... and gotten more facile with the adjustments... what simple "machine" or hallucination might we first be able to build or develop? |
| PureNLP | Well, first, let me finish something I haven't yet. When exerciseing your SMD's, use *physical* movement to make the adjustments. That is, your hand/arm to make those changes, and use large movements! Small movements, small change. OK, Jon, well, we've had people build in all kinds of things like BS detectors, or how about listening devices, like where you can amplify sounds from across a room? Or measuring devices, like those infra-red ones they use in real estate. We had an airline pilot who built in an automatic angle judging device, to pass her test easily. |
| Jonathan | That sounds cool! |
| PureNLP | Now, some people will be thinking, 'cool,' and other will be thinking, 'so what good is that?' Well it's not any good to you if it's something you don't want or can't or won't use. |
| Jonathan | Makes sense to me.... |
| PureNLP | So if you think about the things you want to be better at, then it's much more relevant for you. Like, how about a built in guitar tuner, if you play the guitar? But these are just entry points to really creating. They are cool things to do and provide you with a starting point |
| Jonathan | Wow. That sounds fantastic, AND practical as well. OK... John... I know we've covered a lot here, and it is of course a short chat in the scheme of things. You've been really generous with your time. I'm wondering if you're willing to spend a bit more time on some more advanced questions? The "experienced" folks have been foaming at the bit to chunk down a little! |
| PureNLP | Go for it |
| MetaMAN | What is paradoxical cushioning and How is it used in the DHE ™ model? |
| PureNLP | Phoenix, were you at the seminar? OK, I'll answer anyway! You have to understand what it is first! And btw, DHE ™ isn't a model, so let's keep things straight, here. Paradoxical Cushioning is about where the strongest point is with the least resistance. It's where things intersect and are bound in the strongest way possible. It's just a concept, that we use to discover the easiest way to lock things in neurologically, speaking physically, that is. |
| Jonathan | Tranzpupy asks "Jon: ask him if DHE ™ has any connection with Quimby, Emerson, Emma Curtis Hopkins, Ernest Holmes?" |
| PureNLP | Not directly, but could be. Great thinkers and writers and expressors of wild ideas all seem to meet in about the same place. One thing that people try to do is to link things to other things and it's not always the most useful thing to do, simply because then the information goes into places where they already understand something and then it isn't used in as many contexts as can be. |
| _Stile_ | Can you give an example of how you'd build a simple machine (such as a BS detector laser/zapper :P )? |
| PureNLP | Well, it's easier if you have an external model/machine to learn from first, although it's not necessary. That way you can have an external device to calibrate your own success with. We wouldn't want you believing your own bullshit, ya know! But, let's take a simple machine, one that mostly everyone's familiar with, OK? |
| _Stile_ | OK! |
| PureNLP | First, you'd want to become familiar with what the machine does. It may not be necsessary to understand how it works. You want to understand the input end and the output end. That way, you'll know what to put in and what to expect coming out. If you can understand what it does, that's great. Now, since you already have an idea of what it does, or you wouldn't have chosen it, you do deep trance, and in that state, do what it does. Input the data, then output the result. Then calibrate you against the external device, and make the necessary adjustments. It's easier with other people assisting, that way you can stay deep trance, they can have signals set up, and then provide instructions. Now, once you have the process pretty well in place, assign it to something that you'll remember, an anchor of some sort, then test the anchor. |
| _Stile_ | Great... thanks :) |
| PureNLP | You're welcome |
| Jonathan | Excellent!!! Alright! I'd like to ask a question, myself. And it has to do with integrating skills in DHE ™ with those in NLP. |
| PureNLP | OK |
| Jonathan | In NLP a lot of what we learn is about chunking down... deal with all the little details, make all these little shifts... and the big picture gets better. Granted, there's a lot of chunking up too, but this is how its often characterized as operating (by comparison to DHE ™). In DHE ™ a lot (from what I'm reading tonight) is predicated upon designing in incredibly fine control over SMD's... and building overwhelmingly amazing states and 'machines' so that all the little stuff just falls riiiight in line... :) |
| PureNLP | So to speak |
| Jonathan | Since one is top-down... and another is bottom-up... Has anyone trained in both, ever had an issue with integrating the two approaches? |
| PureNLP | Marriage is more like it! Happily married! The only problem is for those people who have learned NLP and are looking at those "techniques," which aren't the same as learning how to use your brain! About laerning how to language sequence... and changes make easily... because difficult not it is.. and yet, adding more flexibility gives people more of a chance to understand that the techniques are not where the real changes are taking place at the neurological level. So, for those with open minds, regardless of where they've trained, or how much experience they have, they learn a lot and remember: Everyone is at their own level of learning and developing, and no 2 people are the same, thank gods! So when people come from a training, they have learned what it is they needed or wanted to learn, and they learn it well. There are common exercises we do, of course, but everyone learns different things, including me. So, the basic premise according to my model is that poeple have waaaay too much time on their hands, and they don't use it the way they can most usefully for themselves. And they don't have enough good feelings to propel themselves into accomplishing their hopes and dreams. After all, why else would they want to learn more of something? And I agree with Richard, in many cases. Where's the art? The music? The literature? Why not new Joyce's? New Beethovens? |
| Jonathan | I'd like to talk for a few minutes about the upcoming DHE ™ trainings!! I know... that in September... you'll be in Cairns, Australia for one of the most amazing training packages I've seen/heard about in a LONG time. |
| PureNLP | It'll be hoot! |
| Jonathan | The Cairns DHE ™-Rainforest-Reef package. |
| PureNLP | For sure. |
| Jonathan | And because of the Aussie dollar not doing so hot right now, its quite affordable as these things go, for Americans. Anyone interested should email or call NLP Seminars Group International! |
| PureNLP | Or McClendon & Associates in Australia. Their info is at my website. |
| Jonathan | Yes! Also, in November I believe, Richard is teaching an Intro to DHE ™.... at Excellence Quest in Chicago with Barb Stepp! |
| PureNLP | And I'll be there in April. |
| Jonathan | Fantastic! |
| PureNLP | And oh, yeah, the book! |
| Jonathan | Ahhah! The book! I knew that was going to come up at some point tonight... |
| PureNLP | I know people have been waiting so it's only fair to mention it. It's still in the works; I have it; Don't blame RB; It's in my computer; it's just that things are changing so rapidly that we may have to put out volume 4 first! Maybe, that's MAYBE, the end of this year. |
| Jonathan | Thanks for bringing that up! |
| PureNLP | Carlos has a question about being: "interested in exploring trances phenomenas to develop kinestetic, auditory and visual system. By all means, trance is by far the best way to develop anything. When you go deep trance you can do all kinds of things. It bypasses beliefs, which are just nominalizations created by complex equivalence and cause & effect patterns. |
| Jonathan | Hyperbond has one -- partly connected with Speed Seduction: "Let's say there's a person who's trying to get over a fear of something...say approaching women. could you give an example of both an NLP and a DHE ™ approach towards solving the same problem, and explain in an example-grounded way how they are different?" |
| PureNLP | Fear of women? Or fear of getting laid and not being good enuf? |
| Hyperbond | No, fear of approaching. |
| PureNLP | Hyper, think about it this way: If you approach and they tell you to screw off, They did you a favor! |
| Hyperbond | I asked that so we could see how the different technologies manifest themselves differently in their responses to situations *like* those |
| PureNLP | How about building in a pheromone generator so you can "attract" the right one? That's using DHE ™! The fear might actually be good, if used in the right context... |
| Hyperbond | And how does that contrast to the way someone would use NLP to cure the same phobia? |
| PureNLP | Exactly, one's a phobia, the other is an adventure!! |
| Hyperbond | Thanks! |
| Jonathan | Pouch asks "Throughout this chat I've noticed two themes touched upon: the importance of moving beyond concepts of "limits", as well as a willingness to explore and integrate learnings/attitudes/"devices" into a useful whole. At some point doesn't it become less useful to look at yourself in terms of and unconscious & conscious and move in a radically new direction of introspective integration?" |
| PureNLP | Conscious is what you are aware of at any moment in time. Unconscious is what you are not necessarily aware of. But building in things that work unconsciously gives you the opportunity to "concentrate" on other things, while you go through your life enjoying it. |
| Pouch | But isn't DHE ™ all about *expanding* awareness? |
| PureNLP | For those who can benefit? Sure. |
| Jonathan | HerbM asks "Please take the previous example a little further, e.g., a stopwatch [or pick something]. What would be the kinesthetic you would start with? Then the others modalities..." |
| PureNLP | Rhythm! Build in a metronome, that clicks k at 60 beats per min. Also, build in the A & V. That way, you'll have all 3 major reps working at the same time |
| HerbM | So get a real metronome, computer timer or stopwatch and keep altering the K, A, V until this is built AND calibrated, right? |
| PureNLP | Right! |
| Jonathan | RonDesGr asks "Jon, could you ask John to elaborate concretely on simultaneous vs sequential please?" |
| PureNLP | Sequential is where you go through the steps one at a time. Simultaneous is where you line up all the necessary steps first, then fire them all off, including those neat sounds you make when it works. |
| Jonathan | Alchemyst asks "We are constantly creating the "now" so i guess its best not to think of past pain. or be concerned about the future outcome.. but make the right choices in the 'now?' " |
| PureNLP | Alchemyst, think about it. When you're busy doing the things you really enjoy, you don't even remember the bad stuff. Like RB says, 'if it's worth feeling bad about, it's worthy of amnesia.'(c)RBandler. Get busy DOING things and the past becomes relatively insignificant. Just keep the resources handy. Good habits are good to have! |
| Alchemyst | So at first it may take a lot of effort.. "rethinking" bringing our thoughts to "now" but im sure it would become habit... Our minds tend to wonder.. and stray.. but can we hope to control them and learn to keep them in the now? |
| PureNLP | wondering is a good thing, and hoping isn't nearly as good as doing!! |
| Jonathan | _Stile_ asks "How much of this information is taught, consciously or unconsciously, on the DHE ™ tapes? How much is omitted? How important is the manual that they refer to?" Stefan: I once heard they were just half a DHE ™ seminar, and are they coming on CD too?" |
| PureNLP | Well, stile, this is an area of expertise that is highly regarded and done by no one better than RB himself. If you want to understand more about it, you'll want to read some books on logic, then make the connections about unconscious installation |
| Jonathan | Tangram asks: "Q from before: John mentioned deep trances being a good tool for creating things. How do you get yourself to that state and at the same time be able to think yourself through creating things?" |
| PureNLP | Compulsiveness about certain things can also be good. Plan it before you go deep trance. |
| Jonathan | Venus asks "I have 2 questions - 1) how can people who are not gadget freaks do this? 2) how do we go about integrating NLP and DHE ™ skills? Thanks!" |
| PureNLP | Venus, you don't have to a gadget freak. It's dependent on what you want to accomplish. I had a woman in Chicago this year, who just wanted to demonstrate to herself thst she can do something, so she chose being able to draw a perfectly straight line, without a rule. and she did it, again and again. Venus, #2: and integrating is best when you USE WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED everyday. I find that many people want to experience somerthing just once just to prove they can, then they go back to their regular same old lives! Pity!! Integration comes when you can learn in the right state. Remember, this is about how your brain works. And it's hardware, not just software. It's made up of grey stuff and chemicals, etc. Get into the right state, and your brain makes the necessary neurotransmitters, to create the mylination necessary for what we call "habits" and the right connections in the right cortical pathways. |
| Jonathan | HerbM asks "With unconscious installation, how do you recommend that beginners track progress. Much of this does require work or continued practice or even REinstallation. How can one measure the effectiveness and TUNE the results of something that was unconsciously installed." |
| PureNLP | herb, good question. Gotta keep track of what you're installing, then test it. If you're using language to install, then you have use language to test. I'll give you an example. RB and I do this thing when working together. He'll give me an assignment, then I'll take over the class. Now, let's suppose it's ambiguities. Then when he comes in, he'll ask me what I did, then he tests the ambiguities. Works everytime. |
| HerbM | Ok, so I think the folks who are really bothered by unconscious installation, a la "I went to RB's seminar and don't know what I got..." have forgotten that even with Unconscious Installation, you have to PRACTICE and work to improve, right? |
| PureNLP | If they don't know what they got, they aren't noticing what's going on. They will usually come back later and go, "WOW!!" Now I know it's mostly a matter of what they went in for. |
| HerbM | We can ignore their discomfort, but there seem to be a lot of people that say this OUT of your hearing (maybe in your hearing too.) |
| PureNLP | Discomfort? I hear it. Their discomfort is usually they're not knowing. RB does the best he can to bring things into their conciousness. I've never known him to do otherwise, but then again, some people don't even get eye accessing, eh? |
| Jonathan | Benzene asks "How can I integrate DHE ™ into my daily routine?" |
| PureNLP | Benzene: by doing what you've learned and be in the best states you can, every moment! |
| MetaMAN | ...and in between those moments... finding, creating, discovering... better and better |
| PureNLP | Those "in-between" moments can be important |
| Jonathan | Let's call it a night for now! And people can stay afterwards if you & they like.... |
| PureNLP | I hope this was useful, and realize that this medium is somewhat limited, but then, again, I'll be back from time to time! Thanks all for their time and putting up with so many questions! And remember... "Your Brain Works Faster Than You Think!®" So let it, will ya? |
| Jonathan | Awesome! I have to say -- thank you, John.... for the fun & the info & the answers... thank you... to Kathleen -- for giving us John for so many hours tonight... Thanks Dom & Dave & Phoenix & Wesley for showing up ;) This is a record crowd, thats for sure! Folks know about the upcoming DHE ™ trainings.... in September in Australia (John) and November in Chicago (Richard) |
| DomL | Thanks John for all your time and answers. |
| NLPSGI | You're welcome, Jonathan |
| PureNLP | Thanks, Jon, for your graciousness under fire!! And for hosting this chat. I recommend you and what you can DO for people!! Highly! You're one of the people really making it happen out there!! |
| DomL | Thanks Jon for all the effort and a job well done! |
| Jonathan | Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it! |
| PureNLP | You've earned it!! |
| Jonathan | This channel is now UNmoderated! So you can ALL thank John yourselves.... and thanks TO yourselves... for being part of HISTORY in the making... a... new... future... for... yourselves... |
| ConneX | Nice job John! And jon! |
| Venus | Thanks John and Jon! |
| AccessDav | Jon, you are truly industrious! Keep it 'up'! |
| _Stile_ | Thanks john! |
| Izena | Thanks jon |
| ConneX | John: welcome back anytime :) |
| Jakester | Thanks John and Jon, Great Job! |
| Grendal | John, Thans for your time. :) |
| _Stile_ | Thanks Jonathan.. and thanks Kathleen |
| Grendal | Jon, thanks for EVERYTHING :) |
| Bro_P | Thanx John and Jon |
| Izena | Thanks Kathleen, thanks John |
| NLPSGI | You're welcome, Izena |
| ConneX | John: I know I'd like to have you back again sometime :) |
| Jonathan | Thanks Dave & Dom! |
| Grendal | Kathleen, thanks for time well spent :) |
| NLPSGI | You're welcome, Stile and Grendal |
| SSer | Yowsa |
| PureNLP | Connex, anytime I'm in town, for sure |
| Grendal | Thanks to everyone else for being here :) |
| Stefan | Thanx John, you demystified DHE ™ quite a bit for me today! |
| PureNLP | Stefan, thanks! Later, folks! |
| Jonathan | I also want to thank everyone for putting up with the channel moderation and the "structure" I had imposed... I hope it helped rather than hurt the chat! ALSO! As you may recall from the ADs... John owns ALL the rights to this chat... it may not be published anywhere in any forum or media without his express written permission. |
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