Chat Log: Anchoring
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IRC Chat Log, January 20, 1998
| JonathanA | Hi folks, welcome to the chat! Let's start from the outset with a little calibration: Anyone here not know what Anchoring is?
| galamud | I have the vaguest idea
| Dan_26 | Hmmm, does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
| Meta-man | It's the thing on my boat right? See my point? (holding finger up)
| JonathanA | A set of responses from the past can be brought back into the present circumstances with the re-introduction of a certain stimulus or stimuli... that were present at the time the original state/responses were occurring. So getting the jargon out of the way.... if someone's happy at some time, and someone else present at the time says "Hallelujah!" in a certain tone, & volume, etc... later at another time, that person saying "Hallelujah" the same way can bring back feelings or other elements, to varying degrees... of the original state/situation. So the intention behind anchoring is to re-introduce previously accessed situations/states/emotions/thoughts/pictures.
| Dan_26 | One could argue that every word in language is an achor of some type since a person must access previous understanding to understand language, though it's often very, very fast and often mostly unconcious.
| JonathanA | Certainly... we're ALL anchoring all the time; most of us are doing it naturally without thinking about it, and doing it far less effectively than we could!
| galamud | Ah, so we act the same in similar situations if we know that it works, so we keep ourselves in a comfortable loop.
| Dan_26 | Or not!
| Meta-man | And there is know such thing as hypnosis! :)
| JonathanA | We anchor states naturally with gestures... but often we do similar gestures as people go through different states, so we're frequently anchoring states automatically in other people, and then, of course, collapsing those anchors...
| TCX | Give an example of collapsing an anchor
| JonathanA | Let's say you're easing into a comfortable state for whatever reason, and I do a particular gesture to anchor some access to the state.
| TCX | I'm with you
| JonathanA | Which means, theoretically, based on the accuracy & uniqueness of the anchor, along with the relative intensity of the state anchored, that by doing the same gesture later, you'll get comfortable again!
| Dan_26 | So we have the "comfort" anchor set...
| JonathanA | However! If you're in a powerfully crazed state later and I do the same gesture, if I for whatever reason didn't effectively re-induce the comfy state, then I've either collapsed the effectiveness of the anchor (or it wasn't anchored well to begin with).
| galamud | Oh, so, collapsed just means that it's no longer working?
| JonathanA | Yep! Or, stacked together with something that neutralizes or flatlines it. Collapsing can be accomplished two ways.
| galamud | Oh. And these two emotions conflict with each other.
| Dan_26 | I liked stacked a little better, realizing that the strongest emotion/state will be the one that prevails.
| JonathanA | (1) Excessive Firing of the anchor leads to lack of effectiveness
| Meta-man | No, A COLLAPSE MEANS THAT TWO emotions are interegrated into one; a collapse can go either way depending on the intensity of the +/- anchors
| Dan_26 | or the combination of the two produces conflict, as galamud suggested
| JonathanA | (2) collapsing of two or more into one, causing a combination of states which isn't as intense as each one but combines elements of both (of course, you can intensify the combo easily!)
| TCX | gotcha
| galamud | so you're saying that a collapse can either intensify or diminish the effects, right?
| JonathanA | in the case of (1), typically its a slow collapse
| Meta-man | YES
| JonathanA | in the case of (2) it can be very RAPID!!!
| Meta-man | SHALL WE DO AN EXAMPLE : ?
| AtomicCat | could you give an example of the second?
| galamud | SURE! =)
| Meta-man | Jon may I have the line?
| JonathanA | PLZ! Go ahead! Phoenix will give an example.
| Meta-man | OK I'll write the script then you all follow. REading and doing doesnt work as well as one then the other here
| JonathanA | But before he does... ;) Let me suggest something for the group! We're coming out of a definition phase here... and going into some brief examples. After these examples lets chat specifically about INTENTIONS for anchoring. Situations and usefulness of anchoring! Then, we'll give some examples and have a short OPEN discussion (brief unstructured), and then we'll tie that up and fold it into a few social experiments ;) GO PHOENIX!
| TCX | Yes. On to the main event
| Meta-man | 1. Think of something that you want to change (some small negative feeling). When you have one squeeze your left hand into a fist | 2. Change your state IE: stand up, dance, etc. 3. Think of a feeeling and process you want to have IE feriouslly, motivated and balanced. When you get the feeling 2x it and 2x it again and then right before the peak of teh most inteses state squeeze your right hand into a fist 4. Break your state. Meta-man | 5. ready ?
| Meta-man | 5. NOW, sitting there create a blank spot in-mind, void of sound (play white noise if you must have a internal dialog), white or black background and void of sensation (as much as possible) | 6. THEN make both hands into the same fists as before at the same time until FULL intergration occurs internally. Basically when what ever happens in the K rep sys rebalances 7. Finally let go of the left fist first and then the right. DO the process until the desire change or direction is achieved and future pace in all rep sys 1 day/ 1 week/ 1 month/ 1yr etc. etc and bring all the information back to the present going forward. That is a wrap! JonathanA | OK, Thats a GREAT exercise to learn how to collapse two anchors into ONE, And then to practice having it available to you in future situations... which makes it more likely to be available to you then, when those situations occur!
| Questor_ | question? Why is the blank spot/void necessary?
| Meta-man | it is VITALLY IMPORTANT TO PRACTIVE IN ALL 4 REPS SYSTEMS
| JonathanA | all 4? ;)
| galamud | can you review what the 4 reps systems are?
| JonathanA | 5 or 3?
| galamud | I'm very new to all this
| JonathanA | Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic (feelings & emotions), Gustatory (taste), Olfactory (Smell)
| galamud | hey, that's 5 =)
| Meta-man | QUEST: I have found this most useful as a calibration point. Easier to go to extremes from the center than from one end
| Dan_26 | one note: I find for me, acheiving these states and anchoring them is much more effective when the state is produced through associated recall (see through your eyes, feel what you felt, hear with your ears, etc.)
| JonathanA | Definitely true Dan
| Meta-man | I use the 4 tuple that has g/o/k as the same K
| JonathanA | Most people use 3 very heavily (V, A, & K)
| Juba | This sort of reminds me of the equalizer tape
| Meta-man | I use it as V/ A/ K/ Internal dialog
| JonathanA | but practically all of us use all of them some of the time! ahhh but Internal Dialog is marked Ai or Ad(digital)
| galamud | well, it's kind of hard to imagine a taste if you're not thinking of food
| JonathanA | both Phoenix and my statements are right, and both are wrong ;)
| Questor_ | Meta: Thats interesting... never thought of that before...
| JonathanA | point being, however its MOST useful for you... use that representation
| Meta-man | THE IMPORTANT ITEM IS TO DO THE CHANGE IN ALL SYSTEMS SO YOU GET A WHOLE NERVOUS SYSTEM AND MULTILEVEL NEURAL RESPONSE.
| JonathanA | Yes agreed!
| Meta-man | Jon, I'm using RB old model from Patterns I and II
| JonathanA | Now, we've defined anchoring & other terms, we've given an example of how to anchor something and how to collapse anchors together
| Meta-man | I have found that Ai and Ae go to differnt sections of the brain and that is the reason I use the 4tuple in the way I do
| JonathanA | True. Just wires in differently for different people, though, as well...
| Meta-man | Now back to ANCHORING !!!
| JonathanA | Yes. So .... Let's talk about intention. Which goes to Context. Always the semantic value of any specific behavior should be evaluated based on the context in which it applies.
| Meta-man | Getting everything one desires ??? ALWAYS ???
| JonathanA | To translate that, any behavior is more or less valuable based on its contextual evaluation. ;)
| Meta-man | Should ???
| JonathanA | alright, Phoenix is pointing out my intentional Meta-Model Violations ;) now "Getting everything one desires ;)" seems like a reasonably high-level generality worth pursuing...
| Meta-man | Anyone have a bigger chunk size we can pursue ???
| galamud | hmmmm, already accomplished that!
| JonathanA | oh did you, Galamud?
| Dan_26 | while bearing in mind personal ecological issues
| JonathanA | Everything you desired?
| galamud | I'm not sure...I'm pretty happy right now
| JonathanA | what about everything you desire FOR other people? I mean, if you've accomplished everything in life for yourself, how about helping OTHERS achieve their desired goals? Thats a marvelous thing, galamud!
| galamud | yeah, it's a great thing! but...okay, fine, one problem left.
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