NLP Training Chat Log: NLP & Amplifying Your Allure

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IRC Chat Log, January 10, 1999

NLP & Amplifying Your Allure
Jonathan	I'm glad I was able to get you ALL-LURED in here! A bunch of people asked me to do a chat on shyness, and I immediately thought, YUK! Why would I want to talk about shyness! But since when you ask shy people what they want, what do they often say?
Dluzi	Nothing?
sunev	"Whatever you want."
Tranzpupy	"I don't want to be shy."
Fullstop	"To stop being shy."
Gunny`	"To be able to live life to the fullest without this disease"
Dluzi	Dis ease?
PaulS	"To lose fear of others' disapproval"
Androver	"To laugh, to learn, to live, to love. To absolutely love my own personality."
Jonathan	The 1st thing we might wanna do, right off the bat, if we wanna be more alluring... more charismatic... more dynamic... is to adjust our goals/outcomes. Instead of wanting to "stop" doing something, or be LESS something else -- frame it more positively. Decide what you want MORE of. Decide what you want to DO more of or better, etc. Even if you're often motivated more by what you don't want, be clear 1st about what you DO want! So let's take the answers you might hear -- that you offered above -- and frame 'em better! "Dont want to be Shy?" "To Stop Being Shy?" "To be able to live life w/o the disease?" "Want Confidence" "Lose Fears" "Laugh, learn, live, love..." I LIKE these! Which one sounds the best and gives you the best feelings in response?
Androver	I, personally, like things that don't at all remind you of what you want to get away from.
PaulS	Self-Acceptance
PaulS	Enjoy all people. That makes the identity free from others' approval.
Wendi	I like that one -- not needing the approval.
Jonathan	Not needing the approval, Wendi? What do you need, then?
Wendi	Hmmmm, I need to know that I am OK even if others reject me; that would apply mostly to m/f relationships.
Jonathan	So, there are all kinds of responses here which come up associated with shyness. Looks like a rat's nest of personal bullshit to me. :)
PaulS	LOL
Jonathan	No, really, what if NONE of this stuff were relevant anymore because everything went so much more smoooooothly for you with other people? Do you think you'd have all kinds of other secondary problems associated with "SHYNESS" if you were simply more dynamic with people? Hm?
Androver	What kinds of secondary problems?
Jonathan	I've got amnesia for them, Androver, I can't remember!
PaulS	There would be none.
IntriKate	Oh, I like dynamic!
DarkF	If people respond better to you it builds confidence.
Jonathan	Or might all those other things, like "low self-esteem," and boring or unsuccessful relationships all become a drastically reduced set of issues, if not completely irrelevant?
TheFool	More dynamic with other people but not with yourself.. will get you back to point 0.. again..
Androver	Yeah, yeah, thefool has quite a point there. You still have to like yourself. =)
TheFool	They don't call me thefool for nothing! The mystical cycle of shyness for attention... you get more... you get more... you get more... etc...
PaulS	You couldn't be more dynamic with others, if not first with yourself.
Jonathan	Ahhh thefool. Maybe thats a good starting point, maybe not. A lot of the self-help books and metaphysics materials talk about "learning to love the self again." Well, you can do that through NLP or Hypnosis, etc., or a variety of things. There's certainly a lot out there to help with that.
Androver	In my experience, seems like shy people are looking for something deeper than just regular interaction with people. so it's more than just being "dynamic with people," it's knowing what you want, too, and being able to really show who you are when you're with others.
Jonathan	Androver, I'd agree! Neat point. If we wanted to live more grand lives & enjoy more rewarding communication with others, then what if... what if... what if we were to just go out and try some techniques that would shift people's responses to ourselves nonverbally? Each person who had a shyness thing may do it differently, right? Not everyone experiences the same kinds of responses/behaviors.
PaulS	Cool concept
TheFool	True point Jonathan, sometimes rearranging your environment will rearrange your innerlife.
Androver	Jonathan: So the interaction would be increased and there would be more of a bond...?
Jonathan	What if each person who'd been shy in the past were to calibrate exactly where & how they held back or were unable to extend to other people, in the past. Most people I've met who were shy, had tons of internal dialogue that said things like "what if they don't like me?" Or "what if I do something bone-headed?" bla bla bla bla bla! What if they did? What if they did something really cool, and people liked it? Could they handle that? They start planning for disappointment, don't they?
ScottG	Shy people look to get something, but they are scared to try because they think about all the bad things that could happen to them - this puts them off trying altogether
TheFool	Jonathan, we call that "being defenseless," dropping all those kind of questions.
Androver	Yeah. It's like they're living in anticipation of one potential pessimistic future instead of living for the moment.
TheFool	Exactly, Androver.
PaulS	But, say they shift people's responses towards them, and can't handle the bond they've created?
IntriKate	It could be present tense "I don't belong here" "I don't know these people"
Jonathan	To me, its about being willing & able to extend to other people in a way that gets attention, entrains attention, builds response-potential, and develops a desire in other people to know more, to be around you more, and to be connected with you in a way that you would find yourselves enjoying how other people reflect your strong attractiveness!
TheFool	Like in the big seminars: you've got a question but you wait until someone else asks it, because you aren't sure if that question has any value... thereby denigrating yourself.
Androver	It's really overanalyzing every little action.
ScottG	"I don't know these people" - a shy person thinks "therefore they don't want to know me" - a confident person thinks "therefore I'd better show them who I am!"
Androver	You think, "I really want to do this," but then your mind starts running through all the possible outcomes, and it invariably focuses in on the bad.
Gunny`	It's not always every single moment being shy, I would say only certain situations, as in public speaking.
Jonathan	Yes, Gunny, since all behaviors are contextuall dependent, there are often specific situations in which people become either shy or dynamic.
Moving in Better Directions
IntriKate	What things do we do to be dynamic and attractive, Jonathan?
Jonathan	Kate: Nonverbal pacing & leading is a GREAT way, because it lets people concentrate on the techniques and responses, and less on their internal dialogue! Shyness isn't relevant, when they're figuring out how to synchronize their breathing well & easily. Gives them an active task to accomplish.
Wendi	I know a man who has a belief that people just like him, they always like him. It was such a cool belief that I decdided to try it on
Jonathan	Ahhh Wendi -- I like that!!
PaulS	Wendi, that is cool. Jonathan: the part about how "enjoying how other people reflect your attractiveness." Can you explain?
Jonathan	Sure Paul! And keep in mind -- this may not apply to all shy people -- or even most. How do you think some people became shy in the 1st place? Any ideas?
TheFool	Self-devaluating, focus on bad outcomes...
sunev	Some people are shy about different things
Jonathan	And rather than focus on this for a while, I think sometimes shy behavior is a withdrawal from extending to others, because at some certain points in the past they learned that that was safer, and free of risk or disapproval. OK. Shifting gears FAST -- from the less-than FUN topics, WHAT IF people devaluated themselves IN THE PAST because other people offered judgement calls that people somehow took too seriously. So -- maybe they allowed themselves to be trained to be shy in the past, because they put too much stock in other people's invalid judgement calls?
TheFool	Jonathan, usually shyness is a learned thing, not something you are born with
Tranzpupy	Why are we talking about "why?" Kathleen brought up that we can be alluring even if we are shy...
Jonathan	That's one EASY way to get people to become more dynamic & less shy over time!
ScottG	I find that I'm often atttracted to shy people becausee they look lonely
Jonathan	WHAT IF people devaluated themselves IN THE PAST because other people offered judgement calls that people somehow took too seriously. So -- maybe they allowed themselves to be trained to be shy in the past, because they put too much stock in other people's invalid judgement calls?" Thefool had answered and said "shyness was learned." Tranzpupy asked "why are we talking about why? And I mentioned why (in some cases). Why not look at it differently! Instead of it being a character trait -- its a learned behavior. Shift logical levels on it.
Gunny	I would say we are talking about why because before you can fix your error(s) you have to find out why you have them
TheFool	Once it's learned, it inevitably reinforces itself.. like any other belief.
NightSoul	Uh oh, that's a less-than-useful belief!
NLPSGI	Get the 2x4...
Jonathan	Now, let's go in a different direction, towards being alluring! Do you know anyone who's ALLURING?
Gunny	What is alluring, exactly?
ScottG	I find that I'm often attracted to shy people because they look lonely; that's Shyness being Alluring.
Jonathan	Being alluring to other people is about charisma... a magnetic personality... behavior that invites curiosity and intrigue and desire and wanton motivation to find out more about you!
Wendi	Being passionate is alluring. Passionate about anything.
Jonathan	Passionate about anything is a GOOD one indeed, Wendi!
Wendi	I think if you are passionate about life, others want to be near you and feel it as well.
Gunny	So making the honey's want you, and want you bad, huh?
DarkF	Being congruent.
ScottG	Passionate is only alluring if someone finds it to be alluring I imagine.
Jonathan	Scott! Choose someone you know is REALLY passionate about something, and they share how passionate they are about it with you! And then try to tell me you find them boring when they talk about it!
NLPSGI	Passion ate. yum!
ScottG	Yeah, it's what you are going to be passionate about, though; it has to be a mutual thing.
Wendi	I think charisma is passion. Enthusiasm, perhaps. Because you really believe in what you are doing, it still could be alluring!
Jonathan	You may not like or agree with them, but passionate behavior and thoughts is never boring!
DarkF	What if they are passionate about negative things, i.e about finding fault?
Jonathan	Ahhh, that's different. But not as different as you may think. At a content level, they may find fault in alluring ways, but at a process level, you may be able to learn how they're alluring without paying any attention to the message. IF you have the flexibility to learn and then apply it elsewhere towards good aims.
ScottG	Well I'm pretty passionate when I explain NLP to my girlfriend, but she isn't interested, and it puts her off talking to me.
Jonathan	Maybe you're not yet painting optimal pictures for her, Scott. :)
Dluzi	So show her by using anchors!
IntriKate	Maybe show her, instead of telling her.
Jonathan	LOL! Dom & Kate share a Chocolate Bunny!
Dluzi	So are we splitting hares?
NLPSGI	ROFLMAO
NightSoul	Ahhh is rapport part of allure?
Wendi	Can't have allure without rapport!
sunev	Unless you're fishing!
ScottG	Good point, I will help her to believe! Thanks!
TheFool	So the main basic thing to start with will be rapport then.
Jonathan	You could start with Rapport, or, you could start with beliefs!
TheFool	Once you have rapport then you wont feel any shyness to that person !?
Wendi	Intellectual explanations may not be passionate or charismatic. Maybe you could shift to an emotional state to talk about NLP.
DarkF	You need to listen as well as talk.
Jonathan	Thefool -- You may indeed still feel shyness, OR it may be a MOOT point (i.e., irrelevant)
ScottG	True, thanks! :) It's ironic when I try to explain NLP to someone when I'm not even using it.
Jonathan	"Explain NLP" is part of the prob, perhaps? Live the skills, demonstrate for good reasons instead of 'explaining!'
DarkF	Relate NLP to her, so it becomes interesting!
Wendi	How can you not be "using it"? There is nothing to "use" rather the experience of it.
NLPSGI	I think Wendi gets a bunny! Give Wendy a bunny!
Wendi	Yippeeee!
Jonathan	Ahhh Yes! One chocolate Bunny for Wendi!!! Oh, hey, you got the one with the little egg in its hand :)
Wendi	Yummmmmm!
NLPSGI	Yeah!
Jonathan	OK, so we asked -- and then answered HOW can we be more dynamic? And the best answers were? Reproduce the behavior of people who you know ARE dynamic!
Wendi	Explaining it would be like explaining how to breath in out, very boring. But if you shared the experience of how good it feel to be fully alive...
Jonathan	Wendi -- Some people stuck in internal dialogue will have difficulty being able to do that UNLESS they try something else first, perhaps.
NLPSGI	Unless they talk themselves into it!
Jonathan	Hehheh; Agreed. That could be a fast way to get 'em moving!
ScottG	I want to be more dynamic than them though!
Wendi	It is not a contest. You don't need to be more or less than anyone
Jonathan	Confidence is built how? Confidence is not built by asking someone to increase their level of confidence! Confidence is built how? I may have answers, but I want to hear yours!
Wendi	Get the state of having had a drink or two, without the alchohol?
TheFool	Not if you use it only once, to get the feel of the state. Then you just elicit the state.
IntriKate	Confidence is a belief, yes?
DarkF	Re-experienceing confident moments.
Jonathan	A belief, or set of beliefs, or state, etc
tref	Becoming aware of past successes.
Wendi	Yes, like the belief I mentioned earlier, that people like me.
NightSoul	Looping experiances of past accomplishments into future experiances and present behavior
Wendi	(the one I borrowed)
Jonathan	Sure, all that good stuff!
ScottG	Picturing yourself confident in a situation - reframing
TheFool	mimic a drunk person ... especialy a friend ( worked foe me .. got drunk on orange juise.. kissed all teh girls in the pub lol)
PaulS	Future-pace your representation of confidence.
DarkF	Associate into memories of a confident person.
tref	Umm, realizing that whatever the outcome, you will gain from it?
How Do Confident & Shy People Differ?
Jonathan	What's the biggest difference between confident people and less-confident people, all other things being equal?
tref	Attitude of confidence.
Wendi	Their perception of how they will be recieved
PaulS	Their strategies
DarkF	Internal dialog
sunev	Experience?
Guest	Beliefs
Wendi	their percieved outcome
Jonathan	The confident people have a library of personal experiences in which they've achieved certain levels of success and confidence, before! The less-confident people also have experiential libraries, and I'd be less inclined to check out their books!
TheFool	Their actions
ScottG	Confident people dont think about the all bad stuff that shy people think about. Shy people need more options, more choices.
IntriKate	Shy people need a re-write!
TheFool	Exactly Jonathan. The universe "proves" us right all the time, no matter what beliefe we hold, be it a good one, be it a bad one.
Wendi	I built a state of confidence once when I had to go on the radio the first time.
sunev	How did you do that?
Wendi	I was either going to throw up, or find a new state! Cuz I didnt want to throw up! I decided that I had been on the radio over 100 times, this was just another time. No big deal. Of course, I noticed that everyone I saw recognized me from all my media apperances (there were none at the time). And I started talking to myself about how easy this is getting. And I reminisced about the first time way back when.
Tranzpupy	One of the things I do, is to think of something I like about the person I want to talk to...
Jonathan	Oh, I LIKE THAT strategy, Tranzpupy! Tranzpupy wins the 3rd Chocolate Bunny award of the night! :)
sunev	I just try to pay attention to what I'm doing now, and don't worry about what is next. So, what is next? LOL!
NightSoul	Classic....everyone has a redeeming quality...even...
TheFool	Sunev, does it work all the time?
sunev	Mostly.
Jonathan	So we have a number of possible routes towards being more alluring & confident. Taking this a bit further -- Have you folks ever met someone who you think: (1) is amazingly charismatic.... (2) Knew how to listen & validate (3) is able to maintain his/her own views or change them if desired (4) can continue to be the center of attention even if they weren't talking all the time?
ScottG	Before I do something which requres confidence, I like to look in the mirror "Go F**K EM UP" and think stuff like that till I cant stop laughing
NightSoul	Patch Adams
TheFool	Robert Holden - leader of the happiness project in the UK
Guest, Tref	Tony Robbins
Jonathan	Gunny, someone who if you listen to them, or see them, you just DROOL or DECIDE you want to be like them
Jonathan	:) OK -- THINK about the person that came to mind folks. Preferably someone real that you've not only met but spent time with --- rather than a movie character. Though a movie character will do if it works for you.
TheFool	Paul McKenna
PaulS	Sean Connery
ScottG	Arnold Schwarzenegger :)
Tranzpupy	Jonathan Altfeld. And of course Richard.
sunev	Bruce Lee!!
Gunny	The girls on Baywatch!
sunev	The boys on Baywatch!
TheFool	Whoopi Goldberg...
Jonathan	We have a bunch of NLPers here in-channel. I'm going to ask this from a NLPer perspective. What are some of the specific things those people do that is charismatic or alluring? Keep answers concise and process-oriented, rather than content-oriented.
Wendi	Smile with confidence. Speak deliberately. Eye contact.
sunev	Talk to you. Seem sincere.
Tranzpupy	Pays attention to the "audience."
DarkF	Being congruent with what they say.
Dluzi	Knows how to go first!
Jonathan	Yes, Dom!!! (You already got a bunny, Dom)
TheFool	Robert Holden nods and validates whatever people say to him, before he agrees or not.
Wendi	Have original ideas, instead of reacting to the events or conversation.
PaulS	Voice Tone, body posture, facial expressions
Jonathan	PaulS -- what specifically about those do they do?
PaulS	Deep calming voice tone when talking, and a serious and confident facial expression
IntriKate	Playful and flirtatious
TheFool	Soft face, slight smile. LOVING! That's it!
Wendi	Loving shows.
DarkF	Seem interested in you.
Gunny	Well, the people in the movies, that is not how they really act/are, it's called acting.
Jonathan	Gunny, some actors have got it right on the money -- many have NLP training. Their AIM is often to act so convincingly that you believe they ARE the person they portray. They're doing very similar things to what we're doing.
Wendi	That may be it in a nutshell. You feel like they like you.
Gunny	Oh, okay.
TheFool	Gunny, fake it until you make it.
Jonathan	If we want to be more alluring, we're going to ACT more alluring, by studying people who ARE more alluring than we are at present!
tref	I think I'm immediately going to take acting lessons..
Wendi	Charisma won't go far, if you think that person doesn't care for you.
Jonathan	EVEN IF someone has HAD trouble, in the past, being more alluring or charismatic... Would it be helpful to do any of the things above?
TheFool, Gunny, sunev	Yes!
Jonathan	Gosh, though, what if they just can't do all of those things together even if they tried it once? Do they have to go back to being shy?
Tranzpupy	No, they have to go back to being shy. It's a rule. ;)
TheFool	Disasociate from the movies (or what ever process you engage in), change the events & occurrences, and reassociate.
sunev	Do 'em one by one! Never back -- always forward!
Tranzpupy	No failure, only feedback.
sunev	Rules again!
Wendi	Right on, tranzpupy!
TheFool	Not feedback, only feedforward.
Jonathan	Oh, gee, though, I'm not sure how much good it would do to just do one of those things, though. I mean, just doing one of those things above seems like it would be so... minimal.
Wendi	One would be btter than none, Because it all started with just one, for each of us charismatic folks!
TheFool	And if there is one ... there are more!
sunev	It's a start! And it's easy to practice one by one. Like when you're trapped in an elevator, with a few people from irc!
Jonathan	Its so much easier to just be... ... ... ... ... ... the same....
ScottG	You could be the same but where would that get you?
TheFool	It's a start, as sunev said, and once you've started, you taste whatever you desired, & you can't go back any more!
Jonathan	As Richard says in his "Personal Enhancement Series"... 'he who hesitates... waits... and waits... and waits... and waits... and waits... and waits... and waits...' Do you want to wait, anymore? Or are you now through with that? I mean, enough's enough, is it not?
DarkF	Associate pain with staying in current state.
Wendi	It is easy to stay in the current state, but not helpful for me.
sunev	Why not? If it's easy?
Jonathan	It may have been easy to do. Until you realize what happens to those areas that stay parked on a couch or chair too long.
TheFool	What about associating MEGA plasure with every little good change? An orgasm maybe?
Building Pleasurable States Inside Yourself
Jonathan	Now we're talking!!!!!
TheFool	You'll never stop changing.. chain orgasms!
IntriKate	{perk}
DarkF	Yeah, but if you associate pleasure with the dynamic state then you will move towards it.
Jonathan	Chain orgasms!
Wendi	How do you chain something?
Jonathan	Well, first you have to have 10 orgasms, quickly, then, tie them together.
TheFool	Associate pleasure with the action of moving towards great results. Then you'll keep on moving forward.
Jonathan	By then, it won't matter anyway, you'll just want more!
TheFool	Why stop?
Wendi	...7, 8, 9, 10 -- aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh, I need a cigarette!
IntriKate	LOL Wendi!
Gunny	Can women really have 10 orgasms in a row?
IntriKate	Oh yes Gunny, at least
NLPSGI	Yes, if it is a slow day.
Wendi	Of course! I have a tape for it.
Dluzi	I use something other than a tape Wendi!
Wendi	That is not what I do with the tape. Duh!
NightSoul	WOW this topic changed :)
Jonathan	Well, what's more alluring than the idea of hopping into the sack? Or, onto the washing machine? Or, into the shower! Or, into the backseat!
NLPSGI	No, I find it rather alluring!
PaulS	Sure enough!
Dluzi	Me Too!
Wendi	Now, what was the point here? You have 10, then you do what? Stay home and be with your charismatic self?
sunev	Got a little sidetracked there, Wendi?
IntriKate	Have ten more, and tie them together!
Jonathan	Is 10 enough, Wendi? Or is it time to have more, now?
Wendi	Jonathan!
Jonathan	Even if you didn't, maybe we can learn how different 'normal' experience is from an orgasm, and make our moment-to-moment experiences in life MORE pleasurable? If our bodies & minds can feel THAT good in an instant, how much better can we feel the rest of the time?
Wendi	I used to date a hypnotist... and he had some abilities that others would doubt.
Jonathan	I wouldn't doubt that! :) I would enjoy hearing ALL about it! LOL Wendi!
sunev	Do tell!
Wendi	Get out of town! The point is this: He and I believed that there were few limits, and so there were few limits.
TheFool	Exactly, Wendi. Whatever you believe in, is true for you!
Wendi	Don't limit yourself.
Jonathan	Agreed! Or, free yourself!
Wendi	Yes, apply that also for other things.
NightSoul	Allow the infinite possibilities!
Jonathan	Let me ask another question along these lines but without being graphic! :) Have you ever looked into someone's face/eyes while they were experiencing strong pleasurable sensations? Doesn't have to be an orgasm, it could be a massage, or a jacuzzi, or something else.
Dluzi, ScottG, IntriKate, sunev, Wendi	Yes.
Jonathan	In the moment when you allowed yourself to observe and perhaps appreciate their enjoyment -- was there even a HINT of internal dialogue or doubts or worries or concerns... Was there any lack of enhanced awareness for what the other person was experiencing?
ScottG	Only pleasure, here! :)
TheFool	Once you're in the feeling, who cares about silly internal dialogues, concerns, worries.. or whatever else?
sunev	Yeah, who cares?
Throwing Thunderbolts! One step to Amplifying Your Allure!
Jonathan	What if ALL you needed to do to be more alluring, was to find a way out of old worried perceptions, out of doubt, out of shyness, and into a congruent state of internal pleasure. If you walked around in a state of pleasure, would it even matter what you said to people (within reason)? Would you even have to say anything? Would you have to "conquer shyness" or "raise self-esteem?"
sunev, TheFool, Gunny	No.
Jonathan	Or would other people become aware of your state AUTOMATICALLY and want some of what YOU'VE GOT!
tref	I would have to bring them into the same state of pleasure, which increases my pleasure.
TheFool	I remember the first time I met Robert Holden; it was a 5-hour workshop. When I went home I had a smile from ear to ear, in the tube, in the buses, and people were smiling with me! That was even more great! :)
NLPSGI	What if that pleasure was building up inside you and at the peak of that experience you turned and looked them in the eye and sent every ounce of that pleasure deep into their soul, do you think that would be alluring?
Wendi	You'd get arrested?
tref	That would be physiologically sending a rather STRONG signal as well!
Jonathan	Hmmmmmm... makes my brain go haywire! Neurons just start lighting up!
ScottG	YeeHa!
DarkF	Yeah, things like pupil dilation are alluring!
Jonathan	Yes indeed they are
tref	And experiencing & visualizing deep pleasure releases phereomones!
sunev	Shh, don't give away the secrets!
TheFool	A smile, a genuine smile, that comes from inside, is alluring and contagious!
NLPSGI	There are control knobs in your mind that you can use to send any level of good feelings! Richard likes to call it the Thunderbolt! It can be used with any feelings at any level.
Jonathan	I spent an hour and a half on techniques & issues -- but what if all it took was building up a strong pleasure state and sending thunderbolts!
Dluzi	Woo Hoo!!
sunev	Thunder and lightning!
NLPSGI	Well, thunderbolts are easy; it is as I said. Build up a good feeling and then send it to the one you have in mind! You can spin the feelings or use SMD's to increase it.
Tranzpupy	It works... I used thunderbolts to double my salary!
Jonathan	Hey, Kay! That's fantastic!
Tranzpupy	I also negotiated a $5/hour raise before I started work. Now, people tell me "You are good, that's why we pay you the big bucks!
Wendi	19, 20, 21, LOL! LOL!
sunev	And counting!
IntriKate	Better than counting sheep!
Dluzi	67, 68
Jonathan	LOL Wendi! Did you get that on tape?
Wendi	JOOOOONathan. I didn't record orgasms on tape! It is a tape for hypnotically great orgasms. But there are no orgasms on the tape!
IntriKate	Tonight's chat was broughto you by the letter "O"!
Dluzi	More-gasms!
Wendi	Help. I need a boyfriend!
Jonathan	Hmmm...
Wendi	Quick, I need one today!
sunev	Wendi, you already had 20-something!
Jonathan	I can see where this is going, big & bright!
Wendi	Next chat: "You & Your Orgasm"
tref	Do we have to bring one with us?
Jonathan	(I need to remember to edit in "Welcome to Brazil" at the beginning of this chat later...)
Wendi	Tooooo funny, guys!
Jonathan	Scott, sometimes all you need to do to be more alluring is to get into the state where you ooooooooze sensuality, in ways marginally "appropriate" to the context you're in...
IntriKate	Just put yourself in a perpetual state of orgasm, and project that to everyone, and that's it? That's more fun than I thought!
Wendi	So I guess this is ultimatly on-topic! This is where the allure thing was supposed to go? OK troops, report back next week!
Jonathan	I had no idea where the allure thing would go, but I'm enjoying the chat anyway! Hey, you folks took it here! Blame yourselves and then enjoy it twice as much!
IntriKate	Next week everyone reports back with carpal tunnel...
Wendi	Kate! Who do you sue for that kind of carpal tunnel? Do you get disability?
IntriKate	Take matters into your own hands.
Wendi	There was a script for an online orgasm, NLP-style! I put it in my book!
Gunny	What kind of script?
Wendi	One to induce orgasm without stimulation. And that is a high learning state, yes? Sexual arousal peaks your learning ability.
ScottG	Has anyone here anchored an orgasm and fired it off randomly? I mean without physical stimulation.
TheFool	Without physical stimulation? LOL! Show me any picture of any girl from Baywatch wearing a swimsuit!
Wendi	This is an important subject. I get more email about that than anything else to do with hypnosis! I have a hypnosis tape called Virtual Viagra!
sunev	I'm thinking, I'm thinking!
Wendi	Haha, sunev, i got it!
IntriKate	Jonathan - now that I understand this - how do I anchor this to remember it when I'm in a situation where I feel shy? Since it's so clear right now, and I want to remember it when I'm in a situation where I am usually shy or reticent.
Jonathan	Let me start by asking "What do you know about anchoring?"
ScottG	I'm not sure how much I know; I know a bit.
Jonathan	I might start by imagining an experience one might encounter in the future when it would be useful to be this way, in this state. What I suggest would probably be best attached to the environmental triggers each of us thinks we're going to experience.
ScottG	At work, when the boss gets pissed.
Jonathan	Does he get pissed at you? Or in general?
ScottG	He gets pissed at me. If he doesn't like what I'm doing, or if I get accused of anything, I want to keep my cool.
Jonathan	If I were you, I'd imagine/hear him acting his normal way, all while amplifying allure inside... and find out how differently things might go if I behave in that new way!
ScottG	When I imagine the 'bad' situation though, I lose that good feeling
Jonathan	You might choose to start by feeling good first! Then, perhaps, see yourself doing some of the techniques we talked about, and enjoy the results you might gain! You might want to do it -- in dissociated fashion. See yourself in that situation.
ScottG	OK, thanks! Yeah, dissociated is easier.
TheFool	Just by thinking about the word allure & saying it to myself, it dilates my pupils, and I feel the warmth that I had through the conversation. It's got a nice sound to it.. alllluuuuurrrrrreeeee .. like chocolate on the tip of the tongue.. melting.. slowly.. YUMMMY
Jonathan	Yup! Plus its a great ambiguity root :) Your Allure....ing
TheFool	Give it a bit of a french accent, too!
IntriKate	It fits well with sensual: sensu-al-luring!
Wrapping-Up!
Jonathan	Let's wrap up the chat, folks! Thanks for coming!
TheFool	Thanks very much!
sunev	Thanks, Jonathan!
Jonathan	My pleasure! Thanks, Kathleen! Thanks, Dom!
Dluzi	Good night all, and thanks to Jonathan and all you others... Thanks Kathleen!!!
Wendi	Thank you, Jonathan & all! It has been fun.
NLPSGI	Ya Hoooo! John says 'Hi' & is sorry he couldn't be with you tonight!
Wendi	Yes yes yes! 33, 34,
ScottG	Keep up that looping orgasm, Wendi :)
Wendi	35
Jonathan	LOL! 4,926, 4,927, 4,928
Wendi	Hahahaha! There is my new boyfriend!
Jonathan	4,929, 5,255 (skipped a few. Well, they all blur together these days!)
Jonathan	Thank you ALL for coming to chat! I enjoyed this one -- and the group! Fun fun fun! Amplifying Your Alllllllllur.....ing... now, aren't you!
IRC CHAT OVER!

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